Cycle Track Network One Year Old

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Design fail. Should have just used numbers. like the Canmore one.

I did enjoy watching the bar grow over time though. Maybe should have had that bar as a goal to reach (sort of like those fundraising thermometers), but still have the total displayed beside it for this situation.

[goodyear]

The 5 st cycle track is good but the 12 ave is a cluster f. It sucks for motorists (at 6st when the lane jogs) and for cyclists (especially at the 8st Safeway when cars leaving the parking lot aren't looking for bikes coming the other way of a one way car street)

I like to see east-west track move either to 10th or 13th avenue.

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[Addick]

Originally Posted by Tyler

No way it will be torn up. In fact, you can all but guarantee that all development and roads projects happening in the city moving forward (see 17th ave) will have to contain a cycling component.

Huge success.

I hope the only thing they actually consider is the planning and implementation of a Cycle Hire system. The system in London (Santander Cycle) was recently extended to the area around my flat and it's been crazy how the system went from something I thought I may like to use once in a while to becoming a major component in some of my journeys made by public transport. On two occasions in the last two weeks, I've used Santander Cycle to complete the last leg of my late-night journey home after missing the last bus.

Instead of making multiple bus journeys around my neighbourhood tomorrow and paying £1.50 for each trip, I'm just going to pay £2.00 for all-day use of Santander Cycle. A Cycle Hire system could be incredibly useful in Beltline and Downtown.

[worth]

Originally Posted by goodyear

The 5 st cycle track is good but the 12 ave is a cluster f. It sucks for motorists (at 6st when the lane jogs) and for cyclists (especially at the 8st Safeway when cars leaving the parking lot aren't looking for bikes coming the other way of a one way car street)

I like to see east-west track move either to 10th or 13th avenue.

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As a cyclist, 12ave is my favourite. I don't see an issue with the Safeway parking lot if the cyclist is paying attention. There are so many cross over points along 12ave, I don't see the difference between those and Safeway.

I also drive quite a bit down 12 ave and once you know where the lanes jog, I don't find it that much of a problem. It's not ideal for sure, ideal state would have two free flow lanes that don't jog at all, but I don't think it's something that we need to move the bike lane for.

13 ave is way too narrow to have a bike lane down it. It's a residential road, doesn't make sense to have a separated bike lane. 10 ave maybe there is room but this is a moot point since it's already built on 12th.

[GomerPile]

Having just moved back to Calgary, from the Netherlands. I have been quite impressed buy the cycle track network. We live in Inglewood and the access to, from and around the city centre is excellent. Once you figure out a few of the nuances, there is really no issues with it. I hope it expands, there are a lot of solutions to bike lanes that I have seen in the NL, you certainly don't need physical barriers every time you want a bike lane and the more that get built, the more use to it drivers become. This means a safer environment for everyone!

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by worth

As a cyclist, 12ave is my favourite. I don't see an issue with the Safeway parking lot if the cyclist is paying attention. There are so many cross over points along 12ave, I don't see the difference between those and Safeway.

I also drive quite a bit down 12 ave and once you know where the lanes jog, I don't find it that much of a problem. It's not ideal for sure, ideal state would have two free flow lanes that don't jog at all, but I don't think it's something that we need to move the bike lane for.

13 ave is way too narrow to have a bike lane down it. It's a residential road, doesn't make sense to have a separated bike lane. 10 ave maybe there is room but this is a moot point since it's already built on 12th.

It was simply the need to preserve as much street parking as possible, and maintain traffic flow well. It's a slight bit funky, but it does have a bit of a silver lining in that 12th is less of a race track now. As a pedestrian, 12th is infinitely better now too. The delays and driver inconvenience are minor, really. You're right, once you understand the place to jog over, it runs pretty smooth. I can understand the first few months especially were an adjustment.

[OMG!WTF!]

Looks like the numbers are a bit rigged...

https://manningcentre.ca/news-releas...-full-of-holes

I especially like his one...

Unsurprisingly, this data showed a tremendous increase in the number of people taking the new
Cycle Track routes; the analysis showed a 118%
increase on those routes.
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But, just as the Ipsos survey data would suggest,
cyclists are changing their routes and choosing to
ride on Cycle Tracks over other routes. Virtually
the entirety of the increase in traffic on the Cycle
Track routes can be accounted for by the decrease
in traffic on parallel and nearby routes. On net,
there was only a 2.17% increase in ridership overall
downtown between 2014 and 2015

I just wish they would say "Look, it's 2015, and we want a cool bike lane like all the other cool cities and we don't really care what the reality is because some day, like a long time from now, these lanes might come in handy".

[jammies]

Is there a non-silly reason for the link having a faked picture of a cyclist under the wheels of a car?

[Fuzz]

Dear Manning Centre:
go #### yourself with a rusty spoon. Stop trying to stir it up, ok? Can we please stop wasting time and money analyzing to death a project that costs microscopic fractions of the city budget, and had it been a road project would have been a 5 minute rubber stamp.

Has it made parking a little worse? Sure. Has it made vehicle travel time a little longer? Probably. has it given us cyclists a safe space to get to and from work? Absolutely. Why is that more important than anything else? Because in 3 blocks today I watched 3 vehicles run red lights(at 3 different intersections), one sit in the middle of the block, probably texting while all the vehicles in front drove off and a bus almost re-end them, another get honked at seconds after the light turned green, probably because they were also not paying attention. That was in 3 blocks! And I got to watch all this from the relative safety and protection of the cycle track, while only having to dodge 3 pedestrians crossing mid-block...

So you will forgive me if I don't give a rats arse about any of your misplaced wasted time on the subject, because I feel far safer than I did sharing the road with this ever worsening bunch of imbeciles. Can we move on, like a decent, modern city already?

[Bunk]

The degree to which this project is being scrutinized and how data is being parsed is reaching almost insane levels, especially in proportion to its cost and impact.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Probably. has it given us cyclists a safe space to get to and from work? Absolutely

Really it hasn't made it safer for cyclists according to the actual numbers. But as long as you feel safer.

That's the reaction I find bloody hilarious. Yes we just want it cause all the other cool cities have one.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Looks like the numbers are a bit rigged...

https://manningcentre.ca/news-releas...-full-of-holes

I especially like his one...



I just wish they would say "Look, it's 2015, and we want a cool bike lane like all the other cool cities and we don't really care what the reality is because some day, like a long time from now, these lanes might come in handy".

That was one of the main arguments FOR the cycle tracks - funnel people into preferred, safe routes. Motorists should love this, keeps bikes out of their way on parallel routes.

The increase in ridership is very, very good considering about 15-20% of the workforce it is meant to serve primarily is no longer there!

Transit ridership into downtown was down over 10%. Parking utilization is also way down.

[Fuzz]

Ok, so here is the page with their issues with the report:
https://www.manningcentre.ca/sites/d...lculations.pdf
It has to be the most petty nit picky analysis I have ever read. In fact, if that is the biggest issues they can find, I'd say it was a pretty good report.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Really it hasn't made it safer for cyclists according to the actual numbers. But as long as you feel safer.

That's the reaction I find bloody hilarious. Yes we just want it cause all the other cool cities have one.

We could look at the reasons why their were more collisions, or the types of collisions, and analyses that to death as well. But anecdotally, most cyclists feel safer. I'd be willing to bet some of the increased collisions are due to things like pedestrians short-cutting across the lanes, and new less-experienced cyclists entering the mix. Pure numbers will never tell the full story.

[Bunk]

The City's retort:

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...-track-targets

Basically the Manning Centre's analysis, as per usual, is bunk.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...-track-targets

[squiggs96]

Although I have many concerns with the report, my main one is this:

The 77% of cyclists that reported a better experience since the introduction of the Cycle Tracks represent only about 7,000 people, which is considerably outweighed by the 43% of drivers and 12% of pedestrians who expressed having a worse experience, representing nearly 90,000 people.

Just because there are more people on your side of the debate, does not make you correct. Do you know how many things are in the city budget the my tax dollars (when I lived in Calgary) go towards that I don't care about? Do you know how many city funded projects only serve a small portion of the city? In a city as large, diverse, and sprawling as Calgary, there are going to be things you support and disagree with.

I can also interpret the numbers. 88,452 residents reported that since the cycletrack opened, their experience is worse. The 88,452 residents represent less than 9% of the residents of Calgary. Since this is such a small number, it shouldn't matter.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Basically the Manning Centre's analysis, as per usual, is bunk.

You're the analysis?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Although I have many concerns with the report, my main one is this:



Just because there are more people on your side of the debate, does not make you correct. Do you know how many things are in the city budget the my tax dollars (when I lived in Calgary) go towards that I don't care about? Do you know how many city funded projects only serve a small portion of the city? In a city as large, diverse, and sprawling as Calgary, there are going to be things you support and disagree with.

I can also interpret the numbers. 88,452 residents reported that since the cycletrack opened, their experience is worse. The 88,452 residents represent less than 9% of the residents of Calgary. Since this is such a small number, it shouldn't matter.

The problem with the quoted numbers is that it's not evaluating how much better or worse. For cyclists, it's significantly better, for cars, it's marginally worse.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The problem with the quoted numbers is that it's not evaluating how much better or worse. For cyclists, it's significantly better, for cars, it's marginally worse.

For people who have to drive trucks over 3 tons downtown and work curbside, it is a total s$#@ show. I'd liked to have had Evan Woolley come with me to do my job pre and post cycle track, then he'd have an idea what a total inconvenience it is.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

For people who have to drive trucks over 3 tons downtown and work curbside, it is a total s$#@ show. I'd liked to have had Evan Woolley come with me to do my job pre and post cycle track, then he'd have an idea what a total inconvenience it is.

I've driven large vehicles enough to feel your pain. Though one of the most nerve racking things about driving a big vehicle downtown was cyclists in your lane, which should be significantly reduced.

I was driving a gooseneck around one time (not downtown), and I thought for sure I was going to hit a cyclist that suddenly cut around a curb bulb while driving in my lane.