Tipping- Part XLV

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Swarly

I do tip but hate your thinking here albertGQ. I'd be perfectly fine letting the server or pizza delivery guy know beforehand, as long as they, in turn, are fine letting me and their manager know beforehand that with no tip they will be doing a crappier job.

I'll bet the manager doesn't need to be told that the driver/server will be doing a crappier job if they have been told beforehand that they won't be getting a tip.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Eye-contact, genuine smile (even if a faked one), at my table within 90 seconds of me sitting down (if I wasn't lead to a table from the door), drinks within four minutes of ordering, food within 15 minutes of ordering (unless it was super fancy and needed more time), and all in all a general good attitude and I'll happily tip 20%, even if the kitchen ####s the bed. Its not the waitress` fault. But I also have no problem mentally rolling that number back in my head when things don't meet the standard.

This is ridiculous

I hope that you deduct your pay at work and give it back to your boss if you don't meet your Times on each assigned task.

[malcolmk14]

I've worked as a delivery driver and a server to put myself through school. I can share my experiences.

I delivered for Pizza Hut between 2003 and 2006. I'm sure things have changed a bit since then, but I made $2.85 a delivery when I started and by the time I left it was $3.15, and tips. A good night would be 22-25 deliveries. On average, I'd walk out of there with $100-$125. Not bad for a high school kid who was working 3/4 shifts a week.

Once in a while you'd have a bad shift where you'd do 8-10 deliveries. You walk out with $40-$50 in 3 hours.

There was the occasional insane night where I'd do 30-32 deliveries and walk out with over $200. I used about a half tank of gas on a busy shift and drove an old beater - my maintenance costs were basically just more frequent oil changes.

On average I would say I made about $16-17 an hour after you subtract gas.

I also worked at a mid-level chain restaurant (think BP's, Milestone's, etc.,) as a server in 2013 and 2014.

My hourly wage was $10.20 per hour. I worked about 280 hours in 2013 from Sept. to Dec. and made $2,956.02 and $7,775.00 in tips. That works out to $38.33 per hour. I worked quite a lot in December/over Christmas break and this particular restaurant was located in a mall.

In 2014 I worked about 280 hours as well from Jan. to Apr., and made $2,967.77 and $5,388 in tips. That works out to $29.84 per hour.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is ridiculous

I hope that you deduct your pay at work and give it back to your boss if you don't meet your Times on each assigned task.

you have this whole thing completely backward. if I exceed expectation and timelines at work I fully do expect a bonus. No one is taking money away from the servers, people here don't seem to understand a tip should be like a bonus not a required part of the salary. That is the what is wrong with the entire system right now.

Thankfully the NDP has fixed all that so tips can go back to being a bonus rather than part of the expected pay per hour.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Eye-contact, genuine smile (even if a faked one), at my table within 90 seconds of me sitting down (if I wasn't lead to a table from the door), drinks within four minutes of ordering, food within 15 minutes of ordering (unless it was super fancy and needed more time), and all in all a general good attitude and I'll happily tip 20%, even if the kitchen ####s the bed. Its not the waitress` fault. But I also have no problem mentally rolling that number back in my head when things don't meet the standard.

Interesting, so when you sit down you fire up the ol' stopwatch eh?

I am amazed this has generated this much discussion. I honestly never really put too much thought into it. I also am extremely random in my tipping habits. I almost always will when appropriate but when I'm at Subway, it feels weird so I don't.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Plus throw the guy who pumps your gas $5

I think I have only had full service at a gas station like twice in my life. I feel like this quote would have been appropriate in the '80's or something.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Swarly

you have this whole thing completely backward. if I exceed expectation and timelines at work I fully do expect a bonus. No one is taking money away from the servers, people here don't seem to understand a tip should be like a bonus not a required part of the salary. That is the what is wrong with the entire system right now.

Thankfully the NDP has fixed all that so tips can go back to being a bonus rather than part of the expected pay per hour.

Do you stop watch each task or do you have your performance for the year evaluated. And who determines if you get a bonus your management or your client directly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Skip the dishes pays their drivers per delivery as well. Lol you really need to give it up.

I'm aware. Key part of the sentence was "or." As in, work for a company where they keep the entire delivery charge and tips (which does not appear to be every company) or work for a company that pays them an hourly wage.

At this point I'm confused as to what you're trying to say. You claimed drivers don't get an hourly wage, that was proven false by multiple people. You claimed people were making things up, then admitted to making up "99%" instead of providing any evidence at all for that number. You claimed people don't tip drivers because they don't know how drivers get paid, which everyone is agreeing with and is suggesting as part of the problem, but you keep saying it like you're proving a point (when it's become hard to tell what that point is). Sad.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

My hourly wage was $10.20 per hour. I worked about 280 hours in 2013 from Sept. to Dec. and made $2,956.02 and $7,775.00 in tips. That works out to $38.33 per hour. I worked quite a lot in December/over Christmas break and this particular restaurant was located in a mall.

In 2014 I worked about 280 hours as well from Jan. to Apr., and made $2,967.77 and $5,388 in tips. That works out to $29.84 per hour.

I remember meeting this young, very attractive woman who had just started her career after finishing school but continued to work at the nearby Boston Pizza on weekends. She said she couldn't give up those shifts on Friday and Saturday nights because she would make $200 to $250 a night on a four to five-hour shift.

She told me groups of men (e.g., getting together after playing slo-pitch or hockey) were usually the best tippers. I also remember she told me that smiling, or placing a hand on their shoulders, or complimenting them on their "big appetites" would help to get big tips.

[Jason14h]

Pretty girls flirting with men , especially jocks, makes better tips ? Well thankfully we finally got to the bottom of this tipping debate ! ��

[curves2000]

I have been reading this thread with a LOT of interest and here is my take from someone who's grown up in the restaurant/bar business and has many friends who are still owners in the business.

Pizza Delivery: Places either have "in house" drivers or they use a delivery service where you call the number and they dispatch the drivers. Different pizzerias have different needs and there are pro's and con's to both types of drivers. Most family owned or mom and pop style restaurants generally will give the delivery charge or a majority of it to the delivery driver. Delivery companies have been upping their "local delivery" fee's, which is a fancy way of saying deliveries that occur usually within a 3-5 km radius. If your ordering a $15 pizza and the delivery service is charging the pizzeria $6 and you see a $3 delivery charge, odds are the pizza place is keeping the $3 to maintain some margin. Plain and simple is it's gotten a little too expensive for a lot of places to deliver.

Bars & restaurants: Things in this department regarding tipping will probably change quickly for a lot of consumers with the upcoming $15 min wage, just a fact. Increased employee costs will result in an increase in food and alcohol prices. Other costs have risen and will continue to rise that will make your average night out for a Flames game, very expensive. I was at a local bar that has several locations throughout town and the owners are family friends so I won't name them. The burgers were $19 and the "beer special" was $7. Throw in a 20% tip and your talking almost $30 to watch a hockey game for a single person, what about if you buying the same meal for a friend?

One of the issues we have is the costs of everything being so high so the tip amounts come out to serious dollars for consumers. A mid-priced wine at a decent steakhouse runs $85 or more. A group of 4 grown men go out and have 3 bottles and tip 20%, that's over $300 without entree's and that's not drinking HIGH end wine or even having an excessive amount in my opinion.

When I travel to my ancestral home, Greece tipping is a different ball game. I go every other year and generally speaking, tipping is included in the cost. A 500 ml Heineken at a restaurant is $4 Canadian and a liter of wine is roughly the same.

Tipping is a fact of life for good service, I am not a fan of this tip 20% regardless of the quality of service. In Calgary there is an awful lot of service staff that don't earn their tips and it used to be worse when the economy was healthier and everybody was busy.

Anyhow, sorry about the long post as it got a little sidetracked. Its 3:30 am and I am tired.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by snootchiebootchies

I remember meeting this young, very attractive woman who had just started her career after finishing school but continued to work at the nearby Boston Pizza on weekends. She said she couldn't give up those shifts on Friday and Saturday nights because she would make $200 to $250 a night on a four to five-hour shift.

She told me groups of men (e.g., getting together after playing slo-pitch or hockey) were usually the best tippers. I also remember she told me that smiling, or placing a hand on their shoulders, or complimenting them on their "big appetites" would help to get big tips.

Haha well I am not a very attractive young woman, and I certainly didn't rub any shoulders or compliment groups of men on their big "appetites" and I still did quite well. If there's even better to be had out there for the attractive women, I wouldn't be surprised!

If I was pulling in $30-40/hour it wouldn't surprise me at all if she was bringing in $50, especially if she worked in the lounge.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I also worked at a mid-level chain restaurant (think BP's, Milestone's, etc.,) as a server in 2013 and 2014.

My hourly wage was $10.20 per hour. I worked about 280 hours in 2013 from Sept. to Dec. and made $2,956.02 and $7,775.00 in tips. That works out to $38.33 per hour. I worked quite a lot in December/over Christmas break and this particular restaurant was located in a mall.

In 2014 I worked about 280 hours as well from Jan. to Apr., and made $2,967.77 and $5,388 in tips. That works out to $29.84 per hour.

Does this include your cash tips or just credit/debit ones?

I assume that you (like all of the other servers in Canada) are completely honest with the CRA as well.

If there was any more of a reason to drop tips down to 5-10%. This is it.

[malcolmk14]

That includes everything and is the exact number on my tax return.

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Does this include your cash tips or just credit/debit ones?

I assume that you (like all of the other servers in Canada) are completely honest with the CRA as well.

If there was any more of a reason to drop tips down to 5-10%. This is it.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

Haha well I am not a very attractive young woman.

Hey, don't sell yourself short!

[justkidding]

Was in State and Main the other day. Tipping options on the debit machine were 18%, 20% or other. Totally irritating. I went for other and put in 15% but I bet a lot of people just do the 18% because it's right there.

[jayswin]

This thread is awesome.

-No tipping delivery drivers who make their living off tips because F the pizza place and their charges

-Tipping is called tipping because it's EXTRA so why should we have to pay EXTRA?!

-Passive aggressive note explaining why no tip

-If everyone stopped tipping, those entry level workers would actually move up in this world and get real jobs!!



Yep, looks like we're on a Canadian message board talking about tipping, alright.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Can you imagine if that happened? If the same was reversed and a server said to you, "I am expecting a tip of at least 15% just so you know, and my level of service is dependant on your willingness to meet that."

Or if your server left YOU a note with your bill?
"Please leave a 20% tip, you complained more than the average customer and you had a lot of special requests."

A few people here would be appalled if they got the same treatment from servers that they give out.

Yes you could imagine it, but it's also a thing that has likely never happened. Meanwhile the examples of customers exhibiting crappy, superior behavior towards the service industry can be found everywhere on a daily basis.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yes you could imagine it, but it's also a thing that has likely never happened. Meanwhile the examples of customers exhibiting crappy, superior behavior towards the service industry can be found everywhere on a daily basis.

Absolutely, which was my point. People constantly imagine these awful ways to treat servers as though the notion that a tip is in play makes the server somewhat less deserving of basic human decency.

[Amethyst]

Went to the Earl's 67 today which has the service charge / no tipping policy. Great service and they even gave us all free desserts!