12-14-2016, 04:37 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Dale Tallon resumes control of the Panthers
Strange things going on in Florida
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Dale Tallon is resuming control of management duties and Hockey Ops in Florida. Panthers need to get back on track and stabilize things.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
There won't be an overhaul in Florida, but Tallon will likely want to make some changes and add pieces after the holiday roster freeze.
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Darren Dreger Retweeted Harvey Fialkov
Harvey Fialkov @hfialkov
He has been pres. of hockey operations, but this infers that he is the main decision maker again. I will inquire.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Right. I'm talking day to day management and player personnel decisions. His challenge is to fix things.
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12-14-2016, 04:39 PM
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Gong show
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12-14-2016, 04:40 PM
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Norm!
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Are they giving up on relying on advanced stats guys. It seems that the two franchises that bragged about moving into the future in Arizona and Florida are floundering.
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12-14-2016, 04:40 PM
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First round-bust
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Florida's management is acting like that guy who can't get over their ex. Doesn't realize how good it was until she's gone, so he goes mad and tries to get them back a few weeks later.
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12-14-2016, 04:43 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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The Quebec Panthers does sound like a good name.
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12-14-2016, 04:44 PM
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Franchise Player
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Are they giving up on relying on advanced stats guys. It seems that the two franchises that bragged about moving into the future in Arizona and Florida are floundering.
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Well you know, you put your feet in the freezer and head in the oven and on average you're at the right temperature. So when things revert to the mean and the PDO evens out their team might be fine. By then you've killed a season or more though, and possibly a fan base and your career. Looks good on paper I guess.
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12-14-2016, 04:50 PM
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Franchise Player
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Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Are they giving up on relying on advanced stats guys. It seems that the two franchises that bragged about moving into the future in Arizona and Florida are floundering.
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weren't they so much into fancy stats that they even took A Finnish overager in the 1st round this year because he was some sort of advanced stats beast? I might be wrong, but I think that was part of their reasoning for the pick.
in any case, the moves of this organization in the past few weeks and months have been puzzling to say the least and the way they've dealt with coaching, ownership and structure has been nothing but shambolic. I feel for their fans.
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12-14-2016, 04:55 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
The Quebec Panthers Nordiques does sound like a good name.
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fixed.
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12-14-2016, 04:59 PM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by devo22
weren't they so much into fancy stats that they even took A Finnish overager in the 1st round this year because he was some sort of advanced stats beast? I might be wrong, but I think that was part of their reasoning for the pick.
in any case, the moves of this organization in the past few weeks and months have been puzzling to say the least and the way they've dealt with coaching, ownership and structure has been nothing but shambolic. I feel for their fans.
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Henrik Borgstrom was taken in the 1st by Florida. He is not an over ager and is playing in the NCAA ND has 16 point in 14gp as a freshman. He is touted as a Swiss army knife centre with high offensive upside.
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12-14-2016, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Are they giving up on relying on advanced stats guys. It seems that the two franchises that bragged about moving into the future in Arizona and Florida are floundering.
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Those definitely aren't the only two teams that moved "into the future". And those two teams have pretty much always sucked, it has nothing to do with them using analytics.
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12-14-2016, 05:02 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by 18YrOldSamBennett
Henrik Borgstrom was taken in the 1st by Florida. He is not an over ager and is playing in the NCAA ND has 16 point in 14gp as a freshman. He is touted as a Swiss army knife centre with high offensive upside.
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Henrik Borgstrom was born in August 1997 and therefore draft 2015 eligible, so yes, he was an overager.
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12-14-2016, 05:05 PM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by devo22
Henrik Borgstrom was born in August 1997 and therefore draft 2015 eligible, so yes, he was an overager.
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My bad math was off. Seems like a good pick up still.
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12-14-2016, 05:14 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by codynw
Those definitely aren't the only two teams that moved "into the future". And those two teams have pretty much always sucked, it has nothing to do with them using analytics.
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I would say that teams may have a lack of patience towards these analytics guys. This Florida guy and it seems like the Leafs have put that young stats guy on the back burner with the old school hockey guys like Lamarillio and Hunter have more pull.
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12-14-2016, 05:25 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by 18YrOldSamBennett
My bad math was off. Seems like a good pick up still.
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So far it looks okay, but he was definitely an odd pick. His aggregate ranking heading into the draft was #65, with a high of #34, a low of #137, and an avg. of #73.7.
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12-14-2016, 05:27 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: I will never cheer for losses
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So the guy who replaced Tallon and was coach/GM is just coaching now?
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12-14-2016, 05:33 PM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
So far it looks okay, but he was definitely an odd pick. His aggregate ranking heading into the draft was #65, with a high of #34, a low of #137, and an avg. of #73.7.
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I try not to judge draft picks too much if the skill seems to be there, only because we drafted Jankowski and I don't want to be a hypocrite.
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12-14-2016, 05:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
So far it looks okay, but he was definitely an odd pick. His aggregate ranking heading into the draft was #65, with a high of #34, a low of #137, and an avg. of #73.7.
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He was a top 10 EU player by Central Scouting and Bob McKenzie had him at #35. Taking him 23rd wasn't that much of a reach.
Anyway, this seems like a totally cosmetic move to assuage the fan base, who are apparently very pro-Tallon, and allows Rowe to focus on the coaching stuff for now.
According to this podcast (which is worth a listen, relevant part starts at 48:40) with one of the owners, Tallon was already pretty broadly involved with personnel decisions and it seems doubtful that Rowe wouldn't still be.
They don't seem to care much about titles in Florida in this regime.
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12-14-2016, 05:44 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Dale Tallon resumes control of the Panthers
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Originally Posted by 18YrOldSamBennett
I try not to judge draft picks too much if the skill seems to be there, only because we drafted Jankowski and I don't want to be a hypocrite.
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I don't see what Jankowski has to do with anything here: "we" didn't pick him. I agree with what you are saying, but that doesn't change the point being made that it was an especially early pick for an overage player.
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12-14-2016, 05:45 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Thank Christ they put Tallon back in charge. I knew that when they pushed him aside it was going to be a terrible decision, and here we are.
Viola needs to stop messing with the team and let the hockey guys do their thing. It's just a shame that they fired Gallant because they've been much, much worse without him in charge. I would imagine that Gallant will be the first replacement hire when someone else gets fired this year.
I'm finding it hard to care about the Panthers with how disorganized and unprofessional they've been lately. At least Viola was able to admit he made a mistake and put Tallon back in charge.
Such a shame after such a successful season last year that had lots of fans coming out to games. Attendance has dropped off again this year.
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12-14-2016, 05:46 PM
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Why make so many changes when things looked fine last year?
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