Tipping- Part XLV

[jammies]

If you don't tip delivery drivers I'm judging you. Especially if you're a 1%er like me, that $5-10 means very little to you or I, but those guys rely on it. Life shouldn't be all about trying to stay on the positive side of the zero-sum game, ya cheap hosers.

$5 delivery charge when a guy makes maybe 2-3 deliveries an hour isn't even minimum wage, after you figure in the cost of driving. Stop modelling yourself on Mr. Pink.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by IGGYRULES

You said you'd never done it because you're "already paying for the food and delivery usually". Why tip at a restaurant if your already paying for the food? Plus those drinks you ordered have good margins so the staff should get a little cut from that.

Whatever you need to do to justify it to yourself guess. Id say a delivery driver is more deserving of a tip then the other service based jobs listed in this thread. As already pointed out there are expenses that others don't have as well as inherent risks.



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Sure, and if I was paying a "server charge" at a restaurant, I'd be less inclined to tip a server. And if all a server did was bring food out to me without any distinguishable level of service, I'd again be less inclined to tip. Hence why I don't understanding tipping on top of a service, like delivery, that I am directly paying for on my bill. It has since been pointed out to me that the driver gets none of this money, which would certainly make my stance on not-tipping a little lighter, but I'll probably just stop using delivery instead, since I now have no idea where that delivery charge is going.

And to clarify, I said I tip when there is no delivery charge. My problem isn't them not deserving it, it's that the delivery charge makes tipping feel redundant.

Either way, I don't see what my personal stance on who I tip has to do with it. People can tip or not tip all they want, but if you choose not to tip then don't leave a condescending note telling the person the things they did wrong. That's all I was saying. Seems fair to me.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by jammies

If you don't tip delivery drivers I'm judging you. Especially if you're a 1%er like me, that $5-10 means very little to you or I, but those guys rely on it. Life shouldn't be all about trying to stay on the positive side of the zero-sum game, ya cheap hosers.

$5 delivery charge when a guy makes maybe 2-3 deliveries an hour isn't even minimum wage, after you figure in the cost of driving. Stop modelling yourself on Mr. Pink.

Exactly. Not tipping your driver is ####ty behaviour.

Your accountants must be so proud of you saving those $3.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by troutman

Exactly. Not tipping your driver is ####ty behaviour.

Your accountants must be so proud of you saving those $3.

Delivery drivers know where I live and impact how hot my food is when I get it.

They get tipped well by me.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Tipping a delivery driver is not mandatory but it is expected and necessary.

So if you don't give the guy a buck or two you have basically tricked a poor person into bringing you your dinner for free. Congrats. Laughing at the guy and slamming your door takes it to another level.

And if having your dinner delivered to your doorstep isn't a "special service" then what is?

ken0042s' post is bang on. Give the guy a couple bucks or get in your car and pick it up yourself.

Here's the problem - they are employed. Their employer needs to pay them. It is not mandatory/legal, so you don't need to tip them. If they aren't paid enough, they need to take it up with their employer. The service is being paid for with the delivery charge. The employer should increase that if needed to cover everything.

How is this even a discussion? (And no, I never get delivery).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Here's the problem - they are employed. Their employer needs to pay them. It is not mandatory/legal, so you don't need to tip them. If they aren't paid enough, they need to take it up with their employer. The service is being paid for with the delivery charge. The employer should increase that if needed to cover everything.

How is this even a discussion? (And no, I never get delivery).

Do you tip anywhere?

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I tip pizza guys $5. They rely on tips as much as bar and restaurant staff do. Though I've never ordered from a place that has a delivery charge. If I did, I would not tip on top of that.

Who I tip:

Waitresses
Bartenders
Barbers
Cabbies
Pizza guys

That's it.

Add the beer guys at sporting events who come to your seat, and this is pretty much all I'll tip for too.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Here's the problem - they are employed. Their employer needs to pay them. It is not mandatory/legal, so you don't need to tip them. If they aren't paid enough, they need to take it up with their employer. The service is being paid for with the delivery charge. The employer should increase that if needed to cover everything.

How is this even a discussion? (And no, I never get delivery).

Good one. Well I guess that solves that. Hear that delivery drivers? Just take it up with your employer. The employer will then cover everything needed.

We just need to get this message out to the drivers. Let's all order a pizza right now, and in lieu of a tip, we can give the driver this life changing advice.

[albertGQ]

If you don't plan on tipping regardless of the service level, please let your server or delivery driver know in advance.

If you're too broke to tip at least 10%, just go get some fast food or pop a Delisio pizza in the oven. You'll save much more that way.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Here's the problem - they are employed. Their employer needs to pay them. It is not mandatory/legal, so you don't need to tip them. If they aren't paid enough, they need to take it up with their employer. The service is being paid for with the delivery charge. The employer should increase that if needed to cover everything.

How is this even a discussion? (And no, I never get delivery).

Have you ever worked a service industry job? Good lord man.

[FireGilbert]

Their employers should pay them a better wage with the cost passed down to the consumer and no tipping.

[Fuzz]

If only there were some minimum amount they could be assured to get paid for their service, and not depend on the whims of customers...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If only there were some minimum amount they could be assured to get paid for their service, and not depend on the whims of customers...

Dare to dream.

[Kiran403]

I tip drivers 10% of the order.

How much do you guys tip for haircuts? My cut is $25 and I tip $5 flat every time.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Their employers should pay them a better wage with the cost passed down to the consumer and no tipping.

You know what else? People shouldn't drive slowly in the left lane, nobody should take their pets to the SPCA because it's "too hard" to care for them, spammers shouldn't send spam, alcoholics shouldn't drink, and terrorists should stop bombing innocent people and just confine themselves to impassioned arguments on social media. Just say what should happen, and it will!

Then again, for those of us that don't live in Pretend-Land, dealing with reality using methods that are personally achievable are preferred over just sayin' stuff with no intention of ever doing anything to actually have that stuff come about.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Good one. Well I guess that solves that. Hear that delivery drivers? Just take it up with your employer. The employer will then cover everything needed.

We just need to get this message out to the drivers. Let's all order a pizza right now, and in lieu of a tip, we can give the driver this life changing advice.

That's the same argument though, just rehashed.

I understand drivers should be paid more, and compensated for gas/mileage. ...so why aren't they? The "tip" is supposed to be extra! He delivered it to the door, like his job. If he somehow went out of his way to get it early, or have extra cheese or something like that sure, you earned it. But just doing your job? I don't get a tip when I do a good job at work, it's expected of me. Why is this any different?

Tip when they deserve it, but as it is right now (perhaps prior to min. wage changes) there are people doing minimum wage jobs earning much more than they deserve because someone somewhere created the social norm that I have to pay for their school/livelihood.

Edit:

The very worst part of all of this is the service that Calgary has. I'm shooting at 10%-20% of expected service, let alone good service. Empty drinks ignored, late/cold food, etc. And then suddenly the server gets a friggin attitude when they get 5%. It's like if you're not pounding them back you're not worth it to them? Where do they disappear to in a half empty bar/restaurant? Hell even times we're drinking heavily service tends to be marginal at best.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by jammies

You know what else? People shouldn't drive slowly in the left lane, nobody should take their pets to the SPCA because it's "too hard" to care for them, spammers shouldn't send spam, alcoholics shouldn't drink, and terrorists should stop bombing innocent people and just confine themselves to impassioned arguments on social media. Just say what should happen, and it will!

Then again, for those of us that don't live in Pretend-Land, dealing with reality using methods that are personally achievable are preferred over just sayin' stuff with no intention of ever doing anything to actually have that stuff come about.

Then consider my stance on not tipping delivery drivers a key drive for them to revolt and change the system! For the proletariat!

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

The very worst part of all of this is the service that Calgary has. I'm shooting at 10%-20% of expected service, let alone good service. Empty drinks ignored, late/cold food, etc. And then suddenly the server gets a friggin attitude when they get 5%. It's like if you're not pounding them back you're not worth it to them? Where do they disappear to in a half empty bar/restaurant? Hell even times we're drinking heavily service tends to be marginal at best.

Haha. So......... the anti tipping guy has noticed that he consistently gets bad service. Funny, I consistently get good or great service when I go out.

I'm just gonna stop in this thread because you are doing a much better job of making my point than I am.

The bottom line is this. You don't work for free. The people who serve you shouldn't have to either.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by Kiran403

I tip drivers 10% of the order.

How much do you guys tip for haircuts? My cut is $25 and I tip $5 flat every time.

I never get delivery. I get take out (with zero tip). I don't open the door for strangers unless it's halloween or a courier delivering something I purchased online.

I tip the person who cuts my hair 15% and rounded up to the nearest dollar. So in your case of a $25 haircut, I would tip $4. Same thing with cabbies and servers -- 15% rounded up to the nearest dollar. The only place I don't do that is at my favorite dim sum place -- then I tip 10% rounded up to the nearest dollar just because they charge a tea fee.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Haha. So......... the anti tipping guy has noticed that he consistently gets bad service. Funny, I consistently get good or great service when I go out.

I'm just gonna stop in this thread because you are doing a much better job of making my point than I am.

The bottom line is this. You don't work for free. The people who serve you shouldn't have to either.

How did I know this terrible argument would come up? Have you never had bad service before? You think I go around treating servers poorly and everyone remembers me and tells me to ignore me?

I've been tipping 15%, very begrudgingly. Even when there's bad service, all these damn social taboos shame me into still tipping 15%. And a portion of servers are walking away with a disproportionate amount of money based on their job duties. I don't think that's right. Now they make even more at minimum wage and I should feel bad tipping less that 10%-15% still?

In case of your next argument: I very rarely go out to eat.