PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Senator Clay Davis]

Kanye just entered Trump Tower for a meeting, if you weren't already convinced this was going to be the biggest debacle in American history (reminder: he cancelled his conflict of interest presser and is doing this instead...)

[Senator Clay Davis]

Oh look, even more evidence of a monumental debacle incoming: Rick Perry will be in charge of one of the departments he couldn't remember he wanted to get rid of. It's the Bush Administration meets reality TV. Poor Murica.

[photon]

Trump keeps picking conspiracy theorists, deputy national security adviser is K.T. McFarland who thought Clinton had helicopters watching her when she ran against Clinton for senate and that everyone would be speaking Chinese within a decade. She's not going to be a foil to her conspiracy theory boss, but an enabler.

Still I think that's nothing to the anti-climate change stance of everyone Trump appoints. SoS a guy who's never worked anywhere in his life except ExxonMobil? Who's company has known global warming is real for 40 years but used that knowledge to spread disinformation about it...

Trump can create registries for Muslims, make abortion inaccessible for hundreds of millions of women, set back LGBT rights back, make a kleptocracy that'll take a generation to weed out, but all of that stuff is in theory reversible. The clock on climate change isn't reversible.

The EPA rejected Trump's transition team's request for the names of everyone who worked on climate change programs. I wonder why Trump would want that list of names...

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think the answer here is that you elect Trump, wait for the investigation to be completed then impeach him and however far down corruption goes if proven true. If the electors do not elect trump there will be a civil war.

In this scenario you could end up with a Paul Ryan presidency.

Who's going to impeach him? The Republican House? The Republican Senate? I don't have a lot of faith in that happening.

[photon]

I think even a Republican Congress would if the evidence was sufficient. Or maybe I'm being naive, already they're saying that the existing intelligence committees are good enough to investigate rather than a bipartisan special select committee.

[chemgear]

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/139018...surance-repeal

Debbie Mills is a 53-year-old furniture store owner in Bell County, an area of the state right on the Tennessee border. Earlier this year, doctors discovered that her husband has non-alcoholic cirrhosis. He now needs a transplant if he’s going to survive. Mills and her husband keep a bag packed, waiting for the doctors to call with news that a liver is available.

This all means that Mills really, really needs her health insurance. And she’s very grateful for the Affordable Care Act, because she couldn’t afford insurance before it was passed.

And yet she voted for Donald Trump. Until we spoke, she said she hadn’t taken Trump’s repeal threats seriously.



We voted for Trump.

So how did you decide to vote for him, since he's one of the people promising to repeal Obamacare?

I'm hoping that they don't, ’cause, I mean, what would they do then? Would this go away? I mean, I mean, will the insurance? It will go away?

You're scaring me now, on the insurance part.

’Cause I have been in a panic, so I'm afraid now that the insurance is going to go away and we're going to be up a creek.

[FlamesAddiction]

[PepsiFree]

It's a shame nobody thought to stop and think before voting Trump.

[Senator Clay Davis]

This is that "take him seriously/literally" thing again. And of course zero sympathy for these people. Same for any oil patch worker who voted NDP. If you didn't know better, tough ####.

[the_only_turek_fan]

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/12/23/d...us-531140.html

This is pretty explosive.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by chemgear

We voted for Trump.

So how did you decide to vote for him, since he's one of the people promising to repeal Obamacare?

I'm hoping that they don't, ’cause, I mean, what would they do then? Would this go away? I mean, I mean, will the insurance? It will go away?

You're scaring me now, on the insurance part.

’Cause I have been in a panic, so I'm afraid now that the insurance is going to go away and we're going to be up a creek.

Can't wait until the follow up interview in four years time, when they try to explain why they voted for Trump a second time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Can't wait until the follow up interview in four years time, when they try to explain why they voted for Trump a second time.

They? You mean her, he'll be dead.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Actually I'm more looking forward to them blaming Obama, Hillary, the globalists, the gays, the purple Teletubby etc... You know they are never blaming Trump or the GOP for actually taking their insurance away.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's a shame nobody thought to stop and think before voting Trump.

It's a sad and potentially tragic story (since her husband will die without health insurance) but goddamn it makes me shake my head.

Trump was completely up front about what he'd do with Obamacare. The Republicans have been saying since day one that they'd get rid of it. How did she not hear that? Or, I guess she said she heard it, but didn't believe he'd do exactly what he said over and over he'd do.

They no doubt literally sent a letter to her house promising to take away her health insurance plan.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's a sad and potentially tragic story (since her husband will die without health insurance) but goddamn it makes me shake my head.

Trump was completely up front about what he'd do with Obamacare. The Republicans have been saying since day one that they'd get rid of it. How did she not hear that? Or, I guess she said she heard it, but didn't believe he'd do exactly what he said over and over he'd do.

They no doubt literally sent a letter to her house promising to take away her health insurance plan.

And isn't the current version of "Obama-care" a really negotiated down version of what he initially wanted and more close to what Romney was pitching?

But because it has Obama's name and he's a democrat, it must be undone!

[GirlySports]

yeah Trump's lied about many things. Obamacare was not one of them. Crazy to say but he might save some of it against the Republican congress.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

yeah Trump's lied about many things. Obamacare was not one of them. Crazy to say but he might save some of it against the Republican congress.

Not only crazy, but delusional with a slice of intellectual dishonesty to boot. These people are losing their insurance, losing pre-existings, losing it all. Trump isn't doing anything but signing the bills....the bills the GOP, they have of severely cutting social security, medicare, and the related, will be sending him to sign. Voting Trump was voting GOP, and if you didn't know the GOP is the party of cutting for the poor so the wealthy can have more....sorry, but lol at you.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by chemgear

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/139018...surance-repeal

Debbie Mills is a 53-year-old furniture store owner in Bell County, an area of the state right on the Tennessee border. Earlier this year, doctors discovered that her husband has non-alcoholic cirrhosis. He now needs a transplant if he’s going to survive. Mills and her husband keep a bag packed, waiting for the doctors to call with news that a liver is available.

This all means that Mills really, really needs her health insurance. And she’s very grateful for the Affordable Care Act, because she couldn’t afford insurance before it was passed.

And yet she voted for Donald Trump. Until we spoke, she said she hadn’t taken Trump’s repeal threats seriously.



We voted for Trump.

So how did you decide to vote for him, since he's one of the people promising to repeal Obamacare?

I'm hoping that they don't, ’cause, I mean, what would they do then? Would this go away? I mean, I mean, will the insurance? It will go away?

You're scaring me now, on the insurance part.

’Cause I have been in a panic, so I'm afraid now that the insurance is going to go away and we're going to be up a creek.

This is America in a nut shell. Too stupid to vote.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Stupid is part of it, but priorities out of whack is a better answer. It's why the GOP wins and always runs on emotional issues, like Lock Her Up (lol). Trump conned these people into thinking trade deals he's not gonna change, a wall he's never going to build and a Muslim ban they can't legally enforce will happen. They cared out those things at the rallies. I never heard a chant of "Make Obamacare better!".

So these people very likely do care about insurance. Just not as much as locking Hillary up or the Wall. That's the bait and switch brilliance of it, trick people with emotional issues, then robbed them while they become deeply attached in those irrelevant issues. Gullible or easy to manipulate are probably a better approaches than calling them stupid.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by photon

Trump keeps picking conspiracy theorists, deputy national security adviser is K.T. McFarland who thought Clinton had helicopters watching her when she ran against Clinton for senate and that everyone would be speaking Chinese within a decade. She's not going to be a foil to her conspiracy theory boss, but an enabler.

Still I think that's nothing to the anti-climate change stance of everyone Trump appoints. SoS a guy who's never worked anywhere in his life except ExxonMobil? Who's company has known global warming is real for 40 years but used that knowledge to spread disinformation about it...

Trump can create registries for Muslims, make abortion inaccessible for hundreds of millions of women, set back LGBT rights back, make a kleptocracy that'll take a generation to weed out, but all of that stuff is in theory reversible. The clock on climate change isn't reversible.

The EPA rejected Trump's transition team's request for the names of everyone who worked on climate change programs. I wonder why Trump would want that list of names...

In some ways having Tillerson involved from a climate change perspective is interesting. He might be the only that believes its happening. The rest think its a hoax. What he does with that information might not be positive but having someone in the room to say yeah its real but it really will mainly affect the poor and us in a rich country with lots of oil are better of doing nothing. At least the message that its real would be in the room.

( I am grasping at straws but Id always rather have a person using real information than fake information.