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Old 12-10-2016, 01:55 PM   #21
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As much as I mildly enjoyed the Domi / Kesler fight due to my dislike for Kesler, if looking at that fight and the Hathaway fight, hard not to see in both instances Domi is trying very hard in both fights to gain a massive upper hand by starting to throw punches before his opponent is even ready. Some might say that's just smart tactic in a fight to land the first punch, but it doesn't fly with me for NHL scraps. Pretty cowardly IMO, especially when you are the aggressor. Square off and then try to land the first shot.

Totoo used to do the same thing, drove me nuts. Glad it didn't work with Hathaway.
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As much as I mildly enjoyed the Domi / Kesler fight due to my dislike for Kesler, if looking at that fight and the Hathaway fight, hard not to see in both instances Domi is trying very hard in both fights to gain a massive upper hand by starting to throw punches before his opponent is even ready. Some might say that's just smart tactic in a fight to land the first punch, but it doesn't fly with me for NHL scraps. Pretty cowardly IMO, especially when you are the aggressor. Square off and then try to land the first shot.

Totoo used to do the same thing, drove me nuts. Glad it didn't work with Hathaway.
Well, is a fight. In both cases, Domi is quick to engage but I wouldn't go so far as to call it cheap. He's a little guy. Hathaway teed off on him anyway but I dont know that you can begrudge the smaller fighter for not waiting to accept his beating.

It should also be noted, linesmen are really quick to break up fights these days - when Ferland and Bieksa fought, they actually got the leeway to square up and circle in on each other. I'd forgotten how rare that is. My guess is they allowed it because everyone knew the history between the two.

Even in the Domi fight, it nearly turns into a line brawl because everyone wants to break it up after it's already started. I can see the NHL's logic in clamping down on the preamble, but I would argue that little buildup does a lot more for the safety of everyone than you might think.

When two guys square up, the teams don't rush in to intervene - they recognize their teammates have made a decision and let it play out. But if I'm a Coyote and I see Garnet Hathaway (who???) grabbing Max Domi in a bear hug, I'm not going to assume that's consensual. I'm going to assume some plug up from the minors is taking major liberties with my young star player. As a result, we see two Coyotes including Doan nearly take third man in penalities.

I don't like what they've done to fighting.
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Well I guess we are down to 8 teams in the Pacific. That's pretty much it for Arizona this year.
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Old 12-10-2016, 06:32 PM   #24
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Well, is a fight. In both cases, Domi is quick to engage but I wouldn't go so far as to call it cheap. He's a little guy. Hathaway teed off on him anyway but I dont know that you can begrudge the smaller fighter for not waiting to accept his beating.

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Domi seems to have a bit of history as being kind of cheap and jumping guys in fights, especially jumping them while they are not ready. He has that reputation around the league now from last season.
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on HNIC they said Domi may need surgery, presumably on his hand.

likely out 6 weeks
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Kind of a break for us seeing as we play Arizona twice more before the new year. Domi is certainly one of their more dangerous players.
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If you're going to break your hand, don't do it in a fight. Do it by receiving needless and repetitive slashes to the hand which don't get called.
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Domi seems to have a bit of history as being kind of cheap and jumping guys in fights, especially jumping them while they are not ready. He has that reputation around the league now from last season.
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Rough for the kid.
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Watch the end of the youtube clip. That is a dritball hit by Domi. The puck was never in the area, he steps into Hathaway hard. That is the #### we need to get rid of, not Hathaway letting him know that behaviour like that is not appropriate.
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The next time Hathaway plays Dom he should tell him he broke his hand on purpose.

It is what all the cool kids are doing now...
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After that fight with Hathaway, Max Domi looks a villain from Batman with the bloody face. Surprised he broke his hand, I thought he left the game because of something with his eye.
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Domi seems to have a bit of history as being kind of cheap and jumping guys in fights, especially jumping them while they are not ready. He has that reputation around the league now from last season.
I remember Tootoo pulling that nonsense on Iginla. He was throwing punches before Iginla had his gloves off.
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I noticed in the last couple fights the Flames removed their helmets purposefully. Isn't the other player in the battle supposed to follow suit?
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I noticed in the last couple fights the Flames removed their helmets purposefully. Isn't the other player in the battle supposed to follow suit?
It's kind of funny considering they made it illegal for players to take off their helmets in a fight in 2013, haven't seen it called for some time.
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It's kind of funny considering they made it illegal for players to take off their helmets in a fight in 2013, haven't seen it called for some time.

Why is that even a rule? To protect the top of players' heads? Seems like hands are more vulnerable.
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Why is that even a rule? To protect the top of players' heads? Seems like hands are more vulnerable.
Maybe so players don't die if their unexposed head hits the ice. I'm pretty sure hand injuries are minor and non-life threatening in comparison.
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coyotes have been terrible, and this should be the nail in the coffin. I'm sure they wished this happened last year with the arizona kid sitting at the end of the tank rainbow.
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It's kind of funny considering they made it illegal for players to take off their helmets in a fight in 2013, haven't seen it called for some time.
It was only illegal to take it off pre-fight. If it becomes an encumbrance and is removed (like the last two Flames ones) or falls off during the fight, that's not a penalty.
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Why is that even a rule? To protect the top of players' heads? Seems like hands are more vulnerable.
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