Just thinking out loud, what would CP's thoughts be on dangling Jankowski as trade bait?
He might have a lot of value right now. His stat sheet looks pretty good and if you can get a defenseman of similar age / development it might help the team more than another centre.
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Just thinking out loud, what would CP's thoughts be on dangling Jankowski as trade bait?
He might have a lot of value right now. His stat sheet looks pretty good and if you can get a defenseman of similar age / development it might help the team more than another centre.
I would be outraged and offended on a personal level. After four years of what we went through waiting for him, to trade him after a cup of coffee is a slap in the face.
It only makes sense if they're 100% convinced he's not an NHL player, but I don't know how they could be.
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Just thinking out loud, what would CP's thoughts be on dangling Jankowski as trade bait?
He might have a lot of value right now. His stat sheet looks pretty good and if you can get a defenseman of similar age / development it might help the team more than another centre.
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Stajan has had two 50+ point seasons. If Jankowski gets to that level Flames fans should be thrilled.
I think perhaps you are just disagreeing for the lulz.
Don't know if you're being disingenuous on purpose but Stajan is much more well known as a 4th line grinding center then a 50+ point one. Especially here in Calgary.
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I think Jankowski will eventually be a 35-45 point, middle 6 center who is elite, or near-elite, defensively. Basically a 6'4" version of Backlund, and not really much like Stajan at all. Matty only scored when he was younger and thrust into a top 6 role on a bad team. He is more of a jack of all trades type, who is good at nothing, average at everything. Basically, he's a bottom 6 character guy who doesn't embarrass himself out there. Obviously he has some skills, but the offense only ever showed when he got steady top 6 minutes and PP time, but he was only ever going to get that on a bad team.
Jankowski has some tantalizing tools that Stajan has never possessed despite what his score sheet from a seven or eight years ago says. Actually I'm not really sure what Stajan's offensive peak has to do with anything at all with regards to Jankowski. It was a total mirage as many players would be good enough to rake up some points in the NHL while the team loses game after game. Someone has to score on bad teams after all.
I for one hope that Jankowski will one day score the series-winning goal in a playoff series against the Canucks. That would make for a good comparison with Stajan.
I for one hope that Jankowski will one day score the series-winning goal in a playoff series against the Canucks. That would make for a good comparison with Stajan.
Canucks would have to be in the POs. Might not happen in Janko's career.
I for one hope that Jankowski will one day score the series-winning goal in a playoff series against the Canucks. That would make for a good comparison with Stajan.
That's great and yes I don't put much value in Stajan's mediocre career.
To be fair to Stajan the guy has a pretty good shot of making it to 1000 NHL games.
He isn't a star by any means but that is a good career (32nd among active players in GP, 3rd in his draft year in GP, and 9th in his draft year in pts), let's not make like the guy is an AHL tweener that has been a journeyman his whole career.
Would be great if Jankowski turns into more of an impact player offensively, but if he gets to 880 career NHL games and ends up top 10 in his draft year in points (both places where Stajan sits right now) then it will be a successful career for him.
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Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. My small point was that if Jankowski turns into the player for the Flames that Stajan is (4th line energy guy) the word overjoyed probably won't be used to describe the excitement.
1000 games is a nice accomplishment but there are plenty of great players who've never done it and a good amount of mediocre players like Donald Brasher, Brad May, Steve Staios and Matt Cooke who've hit that mark.
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Stajan has had a solid career, but I can see where people aren't liking the comparison between him and Jankowski. These two players carry entirely different toolboxes.
If Jankowski could develop and have a Martin Hanzal-like career, I'd be over the moon.
To be fair to Stajan the guy has a pretty good shot of making it to 1000 NHL games.
He isn't a star by any means but that is a good career (32nd among active players in GP, 3rd in his draft year in GP, and 9th in his draft year in pts), let's not make like the guy is an AHL tweener that has been a journeyman his whole career.
Would be great if Jankowski turns into more of an impact player offensively, but if he gets to 880 career NHL games and ends up top 10 in his draft year in points (both places where Stajan sits right now) then it will be a successful career for him.
I see this sort of argument all the time and man do I ever hate it. Maybe for the player, it's great to have a decade long career where you put up mediocre numbers but get a steady paycheck. But let's not kid ourselves, championship calibre teams aren't built with a bunch of guys that have simply had "great careers". Honestly, if Jankowsky ends up being a larger version of Matt Stajan, then I'd say he's a bust. Those are dime a dozen type players that can be had for peanuts.
I see this sort of argument all the time and man do I ever hate it. Maybe for the player, it's great to have a decade long career where you put up mediocre numbers but get a steady paycheck. But let's not kid ourselves, championship calibre teams aren't built with a bunch of guys that have simply had "great careers". Honestly, if Jankowsky ends up being a larger version of Matt Stajan, then I'd say he's a bust. Those are dime a dozen type players that can be had for peanuts.
If you think that he would be a "bust" with those type of stats then you are overvaluing what a player who isn't a top 10 pick is supposed to do.
Would it be amazing? No, but if you get a guy who can play top 9 minutes, play solid defensively, and be top 10 in his draft class in points with a pick in the 20s then he isn't a bust.
No every first round pick ends up being a top 6 forward who gets 50+ points a year.
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If you think that he would be a "bust" with those type of stats then you are overvaluing what a player who isn't a top 10 pick is supposed to do.
Would it be amazing? No, but if you get a guy who can play top 9 minutes, play solid defensively, and be top 10 in his draft class in points with a pick in the 20s then he isn't a bust.
No every first round pick ends up being a top 6 forward who gets 50+ points a year.
I just thought about this a little, and the earlier comparisons to Backlund, and I thought I would just check out this line of thinking as it applies to Backlund:
2007 Draft Class by Stats (GP-Pts.) and overall draft order:
1) Patrick Kane: 682-686; 1st overall.
2) Jamie Benn: 532-468; 129th overall.
3) Jakub Voracek: 628-427; 7th overall.
4) Wayne Simmonds: 629-366; 61st overall.
5) Sam Gagner: 635-365; 6th overall.
6) Max Pacioretty: 504-359; 22nd overall.
7) David Perron: 593-348; 26th overall.
8) Logan Couture: 455-339; 9th overall.
9) James Van Riemsdyk: 469-296; 2nd overall.
10) PK Subban: 456-293; 43rd overall.
Backlund was a bit of a late bloomer, but it looks like he has a chance to end up top 10 in his draft class if he has a few more good seasons. Still surprised to see Gagner so high.
Oh, and LOL at Edmonton's draft pick at 15th overall.
Alex Plante: GP-10 A-2 PIM-15.
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