2017 NHL Draft

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I like Tkachuk, but you have to love Laine right now. The guy will be the next Iginla. So yeah, those Bollig wins hurt when you see the opportunity cost pan out.

That win actually would have got the Flames closer to Laine - Jets finished one spot ahead of the Flames.

Flames won their last game, and then the Jets came back to beat the Kings passing the Flames in the standings.

Had the Jets lost that game then the Flames would have been the one in the spot where the Jets got Laine.

[MarkGio]

Edit: Confused with Puljujarvi

[devo22]

some familiar names in that draft. The sons of Adam Foote (probably a very high pick) and Keith Primeau (a goaltender!) are in there, plus there's another Strome and another Shore coming. Also brothers of Teuvo Teravainen, Haydn Fleury, Joel Eriksson Ek and Alex Nedeljkovic.

Also a great draft for Scandinavian hockey names. Liljegren, Vesalainen, Vaakanainen, Valimaki, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Heponiemi, Kotkansalo, Pajuniemi, Vesterinen.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That win actually would have got the Flames closer to Laine - Jets finished one spot ahead of the Flames.

The only thing that can be controlled is the lotto odds, not the lotto results. Toronto didn't fluke into Auston Matthews, maximized their odds at him. Edmonton didn't have the highest odds at McDavid, but they had much higher odds than, for instancee L.A. who traded their draft pick for a UFA rental. In order to maximize our chance at Patrick, Valardi, Liljegren we can't be finishing in 12th place. Even if 12th place miraculously wins the lotto. So yes, Winnipeg winning the Lotto was pretty brutal, but Toronto, Edmonton, Van, and Columbus, picking ahead of us, was only natural.

[Rooster697]

Popugaev looks intriguing. Big (6'6''), right shot goal-scoring machine.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I like Tkachuk, but you have to love Laine right now. The guy will be the next Iginla. So yeah, those Bollig wins hurt when you see the opportunity cost pan out.

Well Laine was drafted by the Jets, and the Jets finished behind the Flames last season.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Rooster697

Popugaev looks intriguing. Big (6'6''), right shot goal-scoring machine.

More importantly, his name is Nikita Popugayev. That just sounds bad ass.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Rooster697

Popugaev looks intriguing. Big (6'6''), right shot goal-scoring machine.

I've read that he struggles against tough competition, but absolutely feasts on the weaker teams.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

You forget that Columbus couldve had Laine.

Nope they could not.

Jets picked 2nd and Columbus picked 3rd.

Columbus passed on Puljujarvi

[N-E-B]

With the lottery there's virtually no point in tanking anymore. 20% odds are awful, and that's the absolute BEST. Keep winning and if they finish 20th-24th they still have a shot at winning the lottery. If not, draft smart and you can still get great pieces in the 7-15 range.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The only thing that can be controlled is the lotto odds, not the lotto results. Toronto didn't fluke into Auston Matthews, maximized their odds at him. Edmonton didn't have the highest odds at McDavid, but they had much higher odds than, for instancee L.A. who traded their draft pick for a UFA rental. In order to maximize our chance at Patrick, Valardi, Liljegren we can't be finishing in 12th place. Even if 12th place miraculously wins the lotto. So yes, Winnipeg winning the Lotto was pretty brutal, but Toronto, Edmonton, Van, and Columbus, picking ahead of us, was only natural.

Which is fine when you are talking about future drafts - but that poster was talking about the last draft and Laine specifically.

We have the benefit of hindsight with that draft and can argue how it actually played out.

In the end the Flames winning that game actually had them in the position that ended up getting second in the lottery and it was only the Jets late comeback that moved them out of that spot.

The other way of looking at it is that in hindsight that win had absolutely no impact on the Flames ability to get Laine.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

This isn't the year we're going for a high draft pick. Lamenting Johnson's good play is pathetic.

[ResAlien]

Ugh did you see that game last night? BAM go up by three goals early and then Johnson shuts the door. Ruining every chance we have to draft Patrick. Awful.

[Caged Great]

The Flames right now are looking to be on pace for a pick in the 7-14 range. If the offense improves when Gaudreau returns and they continue to play as well defensively, they may get into the playoffs as well and you're looking at a 15-22 OV pick instead.

[Flamesfan2010]

If they finish in the 15th to 22nd range there are a couple good right wings there for the taking. Owen Tippet and Cody Glass.

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[Calgary4LIfe]

I have never cheered for losses for high draft picks, won't start now.

Sure, I wanted Laine really bad on the Flames last year, but guess what? Tkachuk will go a LONG ways in helping this team win down the road too.

Flames have done very well drafting where they have been, even with the recent Monahan performance angst. This core is looking better and better.

I really disagree that this team 'needs' a top 3 or another top 5 or 6 pick (regardless of the strength of the lottery). This team just needs to form an identity, grow and mature together, and get consistency in coaching (as in, hopefully Gulutzan is the right coach and this team grows well under him).

Another top pick would not work under the cap. Sure, it would then result in the Flames trading someone else for futures and replenishing the organization, but that wouldn't do much to 'win now' (when they are contending, not now as in today).

Most of the holes will be filled organizationally. Whatever holes are left will be filled through UFA signings and/or trades.

I really do believe that this young core + the rest of the prospects organizationally (Stockton, NCAA, Junior, Europe) has the talent and diversity to contend down the road.

[Caged Great]

Actually, this might be one of those years where it may actually be more advantageous to trade the 1st in a trade for a young player that is more ready to help. Sort of finding a similar kind of thing as the Hamilton trade, but instead for a young RWer. The Flames are closer to competing than waiting for what a 10th-15th OV pick would become.

And I'm the type that would rather the team have closer to 10-15 picks per draft than 7 or fewer.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Actually, this might be one of those years where it may actually be more advantageous to trade the 1st in a trade for a young player that is more ready to help. Sort of finding a similar kind of thing as the Hamilton trade, but instead for a young RWer. The Flames are closer to competing than waiting for what a 10th-15th OV pick would become.

And I'm the type that would rather the team have closer to 10-15 picks per draft than 7 or fewer.

Call Boston again. Pastrnak is a pending RFA, just saying

Actually really like the idea of using the pick as a trading chip if they aren't convinced by the players available and can use it to trade for another young player who can step into the lineup. Doesn't look like an ultra deep draft right now, so if it makes sense, go for it.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by devo22

Call Boston again. Pastrnak is a pending RFA, just saying

Actually really like the idea of using the pick as a trading chip if they aren't convinced by the players available and can use it to trade for another young player who can step into the lineup. Doesn't look like an ultra deep draft right now, so if it makes sense, go for it.

Haha I wish. Pasta has just as much value as any of our players not names Gaudreau.

[Vulcan]

I'd be fine with Cal Foote ranked 24th by Button. Big Defenceman with some offence.