2016 NCAA College Football

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Here's an interesting question. Given how dreadful the SEC has been this year, should Alabama still make the playoff if it loses to Florida?

Yes, no doubt. They have been by far the best and most consistent team in CFB this year.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

3 undeserving teams? Seriously? Clemson has earned it, Ohio St has earned it. Only Washington is questionable due to their strength of schedule.

Just because Bama looks unbeatable doesn't mean the playoffs are a waste of time. Said the same thing about a lot of other teams on a lot of other occasions, including the grey cup yesterday.


On a more interesting note, pretty much every article and source I'm reading has OSU with a good shot at making the playoff. Some are saying they are an outright lock and that one of PSU or Washington will be left on the outside looking in.

I don't want to see conference championships made completely irrelevant, but this is the right decision. Penn State is a two loss team who lost by 40 points to Michigan. However if they beat Wisconsin convincingly and Washington barely squeaks by in their championship I would have no problem seeing two B10 teams make it.

I know right? Why even bother with the playoffs this year, let's just hand the trophy to the tide and call it a day. Isn't that what everyone was saying yesterday with regards to Calgary? There's a reason why they play the games.

That poster must be an SEC guy. He was the one who when the first playoff rankings came out and had A&M 4th ahead of Washington said he agreed with it because it's not their fault they had to play the big bad tide. What did they do the following week, they lost to a 5-7 Miss St. team.

I completely agree with you. Ohio State and Clemson both deserve to be in the playoffs. I don't care that Ohio State isn't playing in the B1G Championship game, there resume speaks for itself. If the Huskies take care of business this weekend, they are in as well.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Alabama should play backups this week, they can't miss the playoff. Or think of it another way, if Ohio State is apparently a lock without a conference title, Alabama by default also has to be a lock.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Alabama should play backups this week, they can't miss the playoff. Or think of it another way, if Ohio State is apparently a lock without a conference title, Alabama by default also has to be a lock.

but Alabama would have a much worse loss and a much worse schedule. Ohio State lost on a fluke play on the road to a team that might also be in the playoff.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by IceMan

Yes, no doubt. They have been by far the best and most consistent team in CFB this year.


I know right? Why even bother with the playoffs this year, let's just hand the trophy to the tide and call it a day. Isn't that what everyone was saying yesterday with regards to Calgary? There's a reason why they play the games.

That poster must be an SEC guy. He was the one who when the first playoff rankings came out and had A&M 4th ahead of Washington said he agreed with it because it's not their fault they had to play the big bad tide. What did they do the following week, they lost to a 5-7 Miss St. team.

I completely agree with you. Ohio State and Clemson both deserve to be in the playoffs. I don't care that Ohio State isn't playing in the B1G Championship game, there resume speaks for itself. If the Huskies take care of business this weekend, they are in as well.

For some reason I think he's a disgruntled Oregon fan. Could be wrong though.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

but Alabama would have a much worse loss and a much worse schedule. Ohio State lost on a fluke play on the road to a team that might also be in the playoff.

Losing to 15th ranked Florida in the SEC championship game isn't a worse loss than losing to Penn State period, let alone a much worse loss. I also really wouldn't say they had a much worse schedule.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

For some reason I think he's a disgruntled Oregon fan. Could be wrong though.

That would make sense too as Duck fans don't like the Huskies.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

but Alabama would have a much worse loss and a much worse schedule. Ohio State lost on a fluke play on the road to a team that might also be in the playoff.

In addition to what nik said, most SOS ratings/rankings I find have Bama in the top 5 with OSU at #1.

Both well ahead of PSU. And Washington for that matter.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nik-

Losing to 15th ranked Florida in the SEC championship game isn't a worse loss than losing to Penn State period, let alone a much worse loss. I also really wouldn't say they had a much worse schedule.

first part, ok
second part, they had a much worse schedule. SEC is terrible this year.

I don't think Alabama SHOULD be out of the playoff with one loss. Just saying that I don't think it's quite the slam dunk some would make it out to be.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by nik-

Losing to 15th ranked Florida in the SEC championship game isn't a worse loss than losing to Penn State period, let alone a much worse loss. I also really wouldn't say they had a much worse schedule.

How's that?

Penn State is ranked 8th...Florida 15th.

How is losing to 15th not worse than losing to 8th?

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

Either way bama and OSU are both gonna be in.

I just dont understand how they justify OSU ahead of Penn State when Penn State beat them head to head, Penn State won their division and possibly the conference...that would make the regular season meaningless way way more than any playoff system.

[transplant99]

Some perspective,

In yet another year of the elephant, it's Alabama and everyone else in a not-so-banner year for the SEC. Outside of the Crimson Tide, no one else even has nine wins. To put that into perspective, every other Power 5 conference has at least three teams with nine or more wins.

http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/...-mediocre-2016

[nik-]

Yikes, I hadn't realize Penn State had moved up the rankings so much.

Either way, a one loss Alabama gets in.

[Lubicon]

There is no question in my mind that Ohio State deserves to be in the playoff and is almost certainly a top four team in the nation but I just don't see how the committee can put them into the playoffs unless Washington loses the Pac 12 championship. There is no way they can put Ohio State in over either Wisconsin or Penn State - if Ohio State goes then the Big 10 champion has to go in my opinion. You cannot put in a team that did not win their own division let alone their conference unless you also take the conference champion. The Committee has put too much emphasis on conference championships to ignore that. And if you take two Big 10 teams then you need to leave someone else out and it won't be Clemson (unless perhaps they lose the ACC championship game) and there is no way Alabama doesn't go even if they do lose to Florida. That leaves the PAC 12 on the outside but how can they ignore a 1 loss conference champion?

These things always have a way of sorting themselves out. I'd be willing to bet Washington loses and makes it an easy choice - then they could send two Big 10 teams. On the other hand if Florida beats Alabama then it really gets interesting.

[GirlySports]

The committee puts in the best 4 teams. Only when they cannot decide who the best 4 teams are do they then go to conference titles or SOS or beatdowns.

I mean there is a scenario where both Ohio State and Michigan get in ahead of the Big 10 Champ. Especially if it's Penn State. Michigan beat Penn State by 40 points!

[Sylvanfan]

With OSU and Michigan being rated 2 & 3 last week and the winner being the home team in the second overtime...Did Michigan really deserve to lose their place in the rankings?

What did they do to deserve losing a spot by playing the team above them on their field that close?

[GirlySports]

i think the playoff right now is Alabama, OSU, Michigan and Clemson. So there is only 1 spot left. If Clemson loses Washington gets in. If Washington as well loses all hell breaks loose. Could Colorado get in? Could the OK/OK ST winner get in? Could Wisconsin get in? I don't think Penn State has any shot.

[Lubicon]

Listening to SiriusMX 84 a lot (I love that channel) and they have been saying the committee puts a huge premium on winning your conference. If that is really the case then that is why I am saying it will be hard for OSU to go in ahead of Wisconsin/Penn State. I'm not saying OSU doesn't deserve to be there - they do, but at the same time the committee has to follow the guidelines it was given, it cannot just select any four teams it feels like. Or at least that is the impression I am getting.

Edit:
I'm thinking the committee is praying for Washington and Oklahoma to both lose next week and there are no other upsets. That gives them an easy out to put in OSU and also the Big 10 winner. Alabama and Clemson are the other two who will be there barring. Michigan has to 100% be out now, there is no possible justification for putting them in ahead of a Big 10 winner now.

[GirlySports]

When you start getting into two loss teams it's a little harder (in my opinion) to use conference championships as an end-all, be-all in determining playoff participants. If you're using that as a "tiebreaker" between one-loss teams then OK, depending on the specific circumstances I kinda get it. But it's easier to get in a situation where you have a more inferior two-loss team winning a conference championship.

[ResAlien]

Michigan is 100% out before any other consideration. They're a two loss team that won't play for a championship. I'd like to think they're still top 4 but the way the committee does it they don't stand a chance. It has to be Alabama, Clemson if they win out, probably an undeserving ohio state and then either the big 10 or pac12 winner. If it's Washington they get in over the big 10 winner I'd think and if it's CU they probably get left at home in favour of whoever wins the big 10.

Resume or not I think it's ridiculous that a team that didn't win its division or conference can be in the playoff but that's the way it is.

Edit: if your goal is to get the four best teams without concern for conference titles you'd take Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Michigan. But I might be slightly biased.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Michigan is 100% out before any other consideration. They're a two loss team that won't play for a championship. I'd like to think they're still top 4 but the way the committee does it they don't stand a chance. It has to be Alabama, Clemson if they win out, probably an undeserving ohio state and then either the big 10 or pac12 winner. If it's Washington they get in over the big 10 winner I'd think and if it's CU they probably get left at home in favour of whoever wins the big 10.

Resume or not I think it's ridiculous that a team that didn't win its division or conference can be in the playoff but that's the way it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_A..._football_team

Pre-playoffs of course

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Michigan is 100% out before any other consideration. They're a two loss team that won't play for a championship. I'd like to think they're still top 4 but the way the committee does it they don't stand a chance. It has to be Alabama, Clemson if they win out, probably an undeserving ohio state and then either the big 10 or pac12 winner. If it's Washington they get in over the big 10 winner I'd think and if it's CU they probably get left at home in favour of whoever wins the big 10.

Resume or not I think it's ridiculous that a team that didn't win its division or conference can be in the playoff but that's the way it is.

Edit: if your goal is to get the four best teams without concern for conference titles you'd take Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Michigan. But I might be slightly biased.

I think that is the goal, we have the same 4 teams.

Putting Penn State in over Michigan is a joke. Why even play the regular season then? If you're using conference championships to differentiate between teams that didn't play each other in different conferences that's one thing. Including a two-loss team with a head-to-head beatdown AND an inferior schedule over another team is silly.

Note my objection is more to Penn State than Wisconsin. I could see the argument of Wisconsin over Michigan because of Wisconsin's win over LSU being solid and how close the Wisconsin-Michigan game (as well as how close the Wisconsin-OSU game) was and since it was played in Ann Arbor.