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			Regardless of how the rest of this season goes, major changes are coming to this team based on expiring contracts and the expansion draft.  Calgary will have a lot of financial freedom to make some big decisions.  How would you fill the gaps?  Here's how I see it playing out. 
Out - Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Jokipakka, Elliott, Chiasson, Bollig, Bouma (expansion)
 
That frees up something like 20M in cap space.  What will they do with it?
 
First order of business...
 
Re-sign - Versteeg, Johnson, Kulak, Bennett, Ferland, Hathaway
 
Then, Here's a list of the impending free agent crop, as it stands today.
 https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents
Some real gems in there.  Shattenkirk (d), Alzner (d) and Oshie (rw) interest me the most.  If Johnson can maintain the pace he's set thus far, I think they re-up him and let him run with it for another year.  Get Gillies in as his backup, and hopefully pass the mantle in 1-2 years rather than tie up a lot of money in an expensive free agent.
 
So you roll with
 
Gaudreau - Monahan - Oshie 
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik 
Versteeg - Bennett - Brouwer 
Ferland - Stajan - Hathaway
 
Giordano - Hamilton 
Brodie - Shattenkirk 
Alzner - Kulak
 
Johnson 
Gillies
 
That's merely one possibility.  What would you like to see happen?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 09:21 AM
			
			
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			Shattenkirk (7/year), Alzner (5.5-6), Oshie (6). 
   
 That leaves about a million for Johnson, Bennett, Kulak, etc... 
   
 Not sure how you see that as a possibility.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 09:24 AM
			
			
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			Going all in on next year?  Not with the team we're seeing now IMO.  Free agency won't cure this team of its problems. 
 
I do think they should re-sign Johnson but don't see Gillies close to being ready for NHL.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 09:38 AM
			
			
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			Where does the 2017 first round pick slot in? 
 
Oshie 6x7 ,  Shattenkirk 7x6   Alzner 6x6  Bennett 3 x 2  (finally a bridge contract)  that is 22 M  
 
Ferland Kulak  Hathaway currently making  825k, 660k and 690k  all will be RFA have arbitration rights and need to be qualified.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 10:28 AM
			
			
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			Do we really think Johnson is a #1 and not a guy riding a hot streak?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 10:29 AM
			
			
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			Gaudreau - Monahan - Oshie 
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik 
Versteeg - Bennett - Brouwer 
Jankowski - Stajan - Carroll 
 
Giordano - Hamilton 
Brodie - Shattenkirk 
Kulak - Kylington 
Jokipakka 
 
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			11-29-2016, 10:29 AM
			
			
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				Do we really think Johnson is a #1 and not a guy riding a hot streak? 
			
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I hope our management doesn't.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 10:55 AM
			
			
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				I hope our management doesn't. 
			
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A career backup who is playing well enough and an AHL goalie who isn't playing at the level where you would automatically trust them in the NHL.
 
What could possibly go wrong.
 
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			11-29-2016, 11:02 AM
			
			
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				A career backup who is playing well enough and an AHL goalie who is playing poorly. 
 
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I agree with your point, but Gillies isn't playing poorly.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 11:05 AM
			
			
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			Gillies will probably never develop, back to back injury riddled seasons.. hes the next Brett Krahn, its time to accept that and move on.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 11:05 AM
			
			
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				Do we really think Johnson is a #1 and not a guy riding a hot streak? 
			
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Could be worse.. we could be stuck with a 3rd stringer who can't even break the backup role in San Jose being stuck as our starter after a few game hot streak.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			11-29-2016, 11:05 AM
			
			
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			The word is Shattnkirk wants to play on the East coast close to home.  Don't think he will come here.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 11:13 AM
			
			
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				Could be worse.. we could be stuck with a 3rd stringer who can't even break the backup role in San Jose being stuck as our starter after a few game hot streak. 
			
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Sure. Let's bet another season on the notion that Johnson is the next Kipper. 
Solid plan.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 11:15 AM
			
			
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			11-29-2016, 11:15 AM
			
			
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			If we're playing with the Roster then the coaching staff has to be included in the discussion.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			11-29-2016, 11:16 AM
			
			
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				Sure. Let's bet another season on the notion that Johnson is the next Kipper. 
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I agree with you -- but there  are 57 games left in this season. If Johnson continues his play over that sample size, would you re-sign him and create a tandem of sorts, being that with Gillies or otherwise?
 
Also, in regards to Alzner -- we have a "veteran ironman defenseman" spot open for him. It's been vacant since 2013.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			11-29-2016, 11:16 AM
			
			
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			Shattenkirk had no interest in Edmonton, doubt we're much higher on his list. 
 
Alzner however, seems like a perfect fit to me.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			11-29-2016, 11:17 AM
			
			
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			Gaudreau-Monahan-Patrick 
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik 
Versteeg-Bennett-Brouwer 
Ferland-Jankowski-Hathaway 
- Hamilton 
 
Giordano-Brodie 
Kylington-Hamilton 
Kulak-Andersson 
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Bishop-Johnson 
 
Flames win the lottery, draft Nolan Patrick. 
 
Stajan lost to the draft, Bouma and Wideman moved out. Engelland re-signed and swaps with Andersson where needed. 
 
Elliott moved at the deadline, Bishop signed in the off season, Johnson re-signed
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
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			11-29-2016, 11:20 AM
			
			
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				I agree with you -- but there are 57 games left in this season. If Johnson continues his play over that sample size, would you re-sign him and create a tandem of sorts, being that with Gillies or otherwise? 
 
Also, in regards to Alzner -- we have a "veteran ironman defenseman" spot open for him. It's been vacant since 2013. 
			
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Tough to say. It is a more complicated question. 
- What other goalies will be available and at what acquisition cost? Feels like there could be a glut and the right opportunity to bring in an established #1 
- How well does Johnson play 
- Is Gillies ready to assume a back-up role 
 
My overall lean would be that if the plan heading into next season is based on a career back-up and a goalie with no pro experience, you are taking a big risk.
 
And I think the Flames management know that. Johnson is performing above expectations but I would be stunned if they hand him the keys, with Plan B an unproven prospect.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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