11-28-2016, 01:46 PM
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#2961
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Originally Posted by jammies
I'd say Breitbart is fake news because they aren't reporting news. They are just selecting facts that support their narrative, along with lies that do the same thing. Corrupt information doesn't to be entirely made up to be fake, it just has to, for lack of a better phrase, serve falsity over reality.
If anything, the definition of fake news needs to be expanded. It's everywhere.
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Then use another term for that problem, because what you've just said could be applied to a lot of what Fox News does (and frankly, some of what MSNBC does on occasion, too).
When I hear "fake news", I take it to mean pure fiction, a story that's just been made up from scratch. If you expand the definition to mean ideologically driven and intellectually dishonest reporting designed to further a narrative, then we need some other way to describe the phenomenon of pieces of totally deliberate fabrication designed to generate click revenue from credulous people who will believe anything they see on their facebook feed.
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11-28-2016, 02:04 PM
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#2962
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Then use another term for that problem, because what you've just said could be applied to a lot of what Fox News does (and frankly, some of what MSNBC does on occasion, too).
When I hear "fake news", I take it to mean pure fiction, a story that's just been made up from scratch. If you expand the definition to mean ideologically driven and intellectually dishonest reporting designed to further a narrative, then we need some other way to describe the phenomenon of pieces of totally deliberate fabrication designed to generate click revenue from credulous people who will believe anything they see on their facebook feed.
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If you consistently report fake news, which breitbart does, you're a 'fake' news outlet no matter how much 'real' news you might also report.
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11-28-2016, 02:07 PM
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#2963
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Well, look, I don't read Breitbart, but I have no information that they deliberately fabricate events that didn't happen to generate traffic... My sense of them is that they're basically Sean Hannity on steroids. I'm prepared to stand corrected on that, obviously, if you know of a bunch of reports that were just invented out of the blue.
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11-28-2016, 02:48 PM
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#2964
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Perhaps it's best if fake news not be the term and instead go with "fact-check free content". Same concept, more warm and welcoming, doesn't use the word news.
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11-28-2016, 02:49 PM
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#2965
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Well, look, I don't read Breitbart, but I have no information that they deliberately fabricate events that didn't happen to generate traffic... My sense of them is that they're basically Sean Hannity on steroids. I'm prepared to stand corrected on that, obviously, if you know of a bunch of reports that were just invented out of the blue.
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http://mediamatters.org/research/201...w-breit/168051
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11-28-2016, 03:01 PM
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#2966
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That appears to be from 2010, and appears to be about Andrew Breitbart's writing, who has been dead for several years. It also generally suggests that he was dishonestly editing videos and skewing facts to promote his narrative, which as I pointed out above, isn't what I understand to be the meaning of "fake news".
Frankly I'd never even heard of Breitbart until last year. I'm not saying you're wrong, but since, say, 2015 are there any instances of them actually just inventing things that didn't happen and claiming they did?
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11-28-2016, 03:05 PM
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You're not saying he's wrong but you're sure going to great lengths to excuse their behaviour. Finding Breitbart fabrication is as easy as a Google search. Here, let me do it...
Ok, was in another window. Here we go
https://news.vice.com/story/breitbar...-out-fake-news
That took about 15 seconds.
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11-28-2016, 03:08 PM
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#2968
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Ok, first of all, go to hell with your imputations of invidious motives, I couldn't have been clearer that I'm prepared to stand corrected on this and was just asking why he said what he said.
Second, I wasn't the one making the claim that they flat out made stuff up - presumably if Flash said that he had a good reason for it that he could easily point me to rather than me having to go through an investigation to look for something I knew nothing about.
Third, that's exactly what I was looking for, so thanks for that. EDIT: Wait... I actually clicked through to the article that Vice was referencing, and the fake map they refer to isn't actually there. What exactly is going on here? Oh, nevermind I see it was corrected.
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Last edited by CorsiHockeyLeague; 11-28-2016 at 03:15 PM.
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11-28-2016, 03:14 PM
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#2969
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So, to get back on topic, an organization that creates it's own fake news stories that are then proven wrong and shown to be actual fabrications is a fake news site, no matter how often they get the weather reports right.
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11-28-2016, 03:16 PM
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Read. The. Link.
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The article, published Nov. 15, was full of flat-wrong and deceptive information, including a fake electoral college map. Yet it spread like a virus, primarily across Facebook, and continues to deceive readers today even though the original article has since been corrected.
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It literally answers your edited question. And calm down with the anger there kiddo, sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities.
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11-28-2016, 03:16 PM
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#2971
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I'm still relishing in the schadenfreude of Trump's win, I generally identify more with the Democratic platform but seeing the smug, holier-than-thou celebrity/bourgeoisie liberals continue to implode is pure gold.
Watching the career politician, weasel Republican's get their arse's handed to them is almost as satisfying.
All around, in the mid to longer term, Trump's win was a great thing for America and for the World, despite what change adverse plebes have to say about it.
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11-28-2016, 03:18 PM
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#2972
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Ok, first of all, go to hell with your imputations of invidious motives
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If you gave me the remedial version of this sentence, a thesaurus and three days I couldn't have come up with that.
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11-28-2016, 03:18 PM
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#2973
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
Read. The. Link.
It literally answers your edited question. And calm down with the anger there kiddo, sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities. Definitely worthy of me going to hell.
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Yeah, I caught that. Look, I'm just really sick of being told that I'm secretly a supporter of things simply because I don't immediately accept every criticism of them at face value. Basically, if you want to try to tell me why I want to know something or that you're somehow able to read my mind, yes, you can go to hell. That's not acceptable discourse. You might as well start calling the people you disagree with closet pedophiles.
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11-28-2016, 03:20 PM
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#2974
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Originally Posted by jayswin
If you gave me the remedial version of this sentence, a thesaurus and three days I couldn't have come up with that.
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I would have gone with: "Hey!..... what?"
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11-28-2016, 03:22 PM
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#2975
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Perhaps it's best if fake news not be the term and instead go with "fact-check free content". Same concept, more warm and welcoming, doesn't use the word news.
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Isn't that cute! A "safe space" for those who don't like the term "fake news."
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11-28-2016, 03:23 PM
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#2976
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
If you gave me the remedial version of this sentence, a thesaurus and three days I couldn't have come up with that.
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It reminds me of this:
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11-28-2016, 03:23 PM
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#2977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
If you gave me the remedial version of this sentence, a thesaurus and three days I couldn't have come up with that.
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It's like something Dr Smith would say to The Robot from Lost in Space
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11-28-2016, 03:26 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
It's like something Dr Smith would say to The Robot from Lost in Space
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Woah there gramps, try and limit the pop culture references to things that originally aired in color.
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11-28-2016, 03:27 PM
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#2979
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Originally Posted by Clarkey
All around, in the mid to longer term, Trump's win was a great thing for America and for the World, despite what change adverse plebes have to say about it.
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It's amazing you keep missing this most utterly hilarious part of it: Mike Pence as the President of the third term of Bush Administration is changing what exactly? That's why Romney is the SOS front runner, Pence wanted Romney. Pence is running the country (i.e. no change) and Trump is running his businesses (i.e. no change). It's cute though that you keep thinking anything is changing.
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11-28-2016, 03:28 PM
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#2980
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Me and my fancy intellec'shul talk. Always getting me in trouble with the serfs and groundlings.
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