PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by direwolf

And of course he says this without a single shred of evidence to back it up, which is classic Trump. What a f'n moron.

Completely agree about the moron part
I still can't believe he is POTUS whenever he opens his mouth about anything.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

To what end though? It's not like Stein stands to gain if the results are thrown into question.

Personally, I'm hoping for proof of russian interference for Trumps benefit.
That would be awesome.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!

If true, then he shouldn't have a problem with recounts anywhere in the country, no?

[Senator Clay Davis]

When the bar set for him is "Don't say crazy #### on Twitter", and he's already shown he can't do it 60 or so days from being President, pretty pathetic.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It's great entertainment, though!

[Acey]

I can only hope somebody from his team has tried and tried to reel him on Twitter usage and failed miserably. No doubt he'll be severely restricted on what they let him post to @POTUS.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Olbermann isn't a fan apparently, lol.

Keith Olbermann@KeithOlbermann
It is not "bizarre," Matt. The man is unstable.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!

If true, then he shouldn't have a problem with recounts anywhere in the country, no?

His response to this makes me think voter fraud was a possibility.

However preliminary statistical analysis suggests that education and income explain the variation. This whole fundraising recount thing is the lefts fake news.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

His response to this makes me think voter fraud was a possibility.

However preliminary statistical analysis suggests that education and income explain the variation. This whole fundraising recount thing is the lefts fake news.

False equivalency is false.

There is nothing fake about this. This is part of the democratic process down here. How close the races were in these three states I'm surprised there wasn't something initiated by the Clinton campaign shortly after the result. Especially with the possibility of outside influence. I don't expect much to come from this, but it is another opportunity to expose President Comacho's lack of understanding of our system of government works.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

False equivalency is false.

There is nothing fake about this. This is part of the democratic process down here. How close the races were in these three states I'm surprised there wasn't something initiated by the Clinton campaign shortly after the result. Especially with the possibility of outside influence. I don't expect much to come from this, but it is another opportunity to expose President Comacho's lack of understanding of our system of government works.

Sorry the belief that is driving the recount is based on fake news.

The belief that the voting machines were rigged because of difference in support between electronic machines and paper ballots has no factual basis.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GGG

Sorry the belief that is driving the recount is based on fake news.

The belief that the voting machines were rigged because of difference in support between electronic machines and paper ballots has no factual basis.

There is at least evidence worthy of investigation:

A mathematician at Wichita State University who wanted to check the accuracy of some Kansas voting machines after finding odd patterns in election returns said she is finding out how difficult it can be to get government officials to turn over public documents.

Beth Clarkson, a certified quality engineer with a doctorate in statistics, said her calculations from the November election showed enough patterns to suspect that “some voting systems were being sabotaged.”

Sedgwick County election officials refused to allow the computer records to be part of a recount and told her that to get paper recordings of votes, she would have to go to court and fight for them, said Clarkson, who is also the chief statistician for WSU’s National Institute for Aviation Research.

She filed a lawsuit against the Sedgwick County Election Office and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach earlier this year, asking for access to the paper records that voting machines record each time someone votes. The record does not identify the voter.

The voting machines that Sedgwick County uses have a paper record of the votes, known as Real Time Voting Machine Paper Tapes, which similar machines in Kansas and around the country do not have. Because the software is proprietary, even elections officials can’t examine it and postelection audits can’t be done, according to Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit agency whose mission is to safeguard elections in the digital age.

Clarkson asked Sedgwick County to do a recount in 2013 but the time to file had expired. She then filed an open records request, but officials refused to provide the requested documents. She filed a lawsuit but the judge said the paper records were ballots, even though they didn’t identify the voter, and thus were not subject to the state’s open records law.

http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-...e27951310.html

[AcGold]

Fakenews: the newest buzzword. How in the f do you guys not realize you're being played like a fiddle? This one caught on faster than any of its predecessors.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Fakenews: the newest buzzword. How in the f do you guys not realize you're being played like a fiddle?

Can you make a clear statement of exactly what you are postulating then we can have a reasonable debate on it.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you make a clear statement of exactly what you are postulating then we can have a reasonable debate on it.

Buzzwords are used to misdirect from reality and manipulate how people think.

Fakenews? Really, do I have to spell it out for you?

In the world of critical thinking, objective analysis, empirical measurements and correlative relations the idea of fakenews is preposterous. It completely eliminates the credibility of an idea by putting a label on it, debate is destroyed before it begins by using this simplistic labeling tactic. If a theory is false the lessons learned are amended to the theory, by putting labels on something and restricting thought processes it effectively destroys the empirical process and objective analysis. In lamens terms buzzwords sever the links between evaluation, observation and induction



I am certain that I myself have been wrong about many ideas, but instead of throwing those ideas out the correct approach is to analyze how the new information relates to the old idea so that a new idea can be created. By using buzzwords you guys are destroying these fundamental laws of critical thinking and entrenching yourselfs into rigid belief systems.

I was on Trumps side a year ago, but as I studied his history and character I slowly learned things about his nature. If I had adhered to the buzzwords from his side I'd have remained a believer but using critical thought changed my stance.

[Flamenspiel]

nm

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Saw this Trump tweet from 2014 tonight. This guy is president, lol.

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Fakenews: the newest buzzword. How in the f do you guys not realize you're being played like a fiddle? This one caught on faster than any of its predecessors.

Because it is real and it happened/is happening? I don't know how anyone can even suggest otherwise when plenty of interests have come forward and admitted to the practice.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because it is real and it happened/is happening? I don't know how anyone can even suggest otherwise when plenty of interests have come forward and admitted to the practice.

What is real? Care to elucidate what exactly is real without the use of a buzzword? You proved my point, you tried to end the debate before it started.

I am not denying that there is false information or incorrect reporting, but creating a label in the form of a buzzword spreads through the collective consciousness and then allows people to attribute this label to anything they deem fit. An idea that was once founded in reality is purposefully mongrelized to manipulate public trends. Buzzwords are the death of critical thought. This one caught on in a matter of weeks, the older ones usually took months or years.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by AcGold

What is real? Care to elucidate what exactly is real without the use of a buzzword? You proved my point, you tried to end the debate before it started.

Sure. Parties with an interest, either politically or financially, took advantage of the electorate by creating websites that leveraged their cognitive bias, and the state of epistemic closure they have placed themselves, with stories that had no basis in reality. They were publishing disinformation based on dog whistle language and narratives that would drive unsuspecting rubes to their websites and up their traffic.

Sadly, there is nothing to debate. This is factual. It happened. It is still happening. Facebook's credibility has taken a beating as a result. Try and deny it all you want, but the evidence is substantial and it had an impact.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by AcGold

What is real? Care to elucidate what exactly is real without the use of a buzzword? You proved my point, you tried to end the debate before it started.

I am not denying that there is false information or incorrect reporting, but creating a label in the form of a buzzword spreads through the collective consciousness and then allows people to attribute this label to anything they deem fit. An idea that was once founded in reality is purposefully mongrelized to manipulate public trends. Buzzwords are the death of critical thought. This one caught on in a matter of weeks, the older ones usually took months or years.

So what shall we call completely made up news circulated on social media? Fairly new issue, at least in this incarnation.