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Old 11-23-2016, 11:42 AM   #21
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I wonder if it is more of a backhanded comment to Hartley. Those 2 didn't seem to like each other.


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One thing that I know about Tortorella for sure, he doesn't give out complements easily. I don't know about his evaluation skills, but he's not running around giving just anyone lip service. The Boudreau comments also make me think that Gulutzan is a lot smarter than we realize.

Problem seems to be implementing his intelligent take on the game. It took a very long time to get them to play 5 on 5 anywhere close to where he wants them, and it might be a full season before they perfect it. I hope he has a brilliant take on the special teams, because it's still absolutely killing the team's chances. Let's not forget that Treliving wanted a coach who could get a lot more out of this team on special teams, citing it as a major weakness under Hartley.

I still say this team doesn't quite have the horses yet to be a great team, regardless of the system, but overall I'm encouraged by the progress this team has made in their own zone and finding ways to outshoot their opponent and look more dangerous than the opponent most of the time during 5 on 5 play. This was the same Flames team that was abysmal in all those areas, but was routinely saved by a few miraculous offensive plays following a stretch pass.

IF he manages to get league average production from the special teams at some point this year, I'll consider this season to be a major successful step in creating a championship team. As of right now, the results are still questionable, but I do see progress happening (however slow it may seem).
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Kiss of death for sure. Torts is just happy to not be trolled by Bob anymore.
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How the tables have turned... Torts has a coaching gig and doing well, while Hartley is sitting at home.
Sitting at home, but getting paid. It can't be that bad.

I have a feeling Harltey will be back somewhere next season if even as an assistant. He was fired at a point last season when most teams looking for a coach were already well into the hiring process.
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He's looking at the video monitor in the bench... cmon..
There's plenty of time to see the replays between games and then direct his players about what they did and what was right or what should change. Staring at that monitor all the time makes him look bad. Its like he didn't see the play the first time or doesn't know what to say to his players so he just stares at it.

As a player you are told, head up, look in front of you not at the puck. It to me is obvious a coach should have his head up also, watch the ice not the monitor. Engage with your team, provide encouragement or admonitions. And there's nothing wrong with sticking up for your team once in a while by yelling at the ref when they make a bad call.
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The proof is in the pudding. The Flames are near the bottom of the league.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:04 PM   #28
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I don't doubt Gulutzan is a really good coach. The question is if he's a really good head coach. Not all great assistants can lead a locker room as the figure head. I will reserve judgement until game 82 as to date there has been some small snippets of progress surrounded by poor play, lack of discipline, and horrendous special teams. While some of these issues were here pre-Gulutzan, he was brought in to correct them to which he still may need time but the lack of discipline is new.
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The proof is in the pudding. The Flames are near the bottom of the league.
And they were there last year as well. It's the players more than it's the coach. The proof is in the pudding.
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And they were there last year as well. It's the players more than it's the coach. The proof is in the pudding.
Due to goaltending IMO.

This year the special teams are losing them games.
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I don't doubt Gulutzan is a really good coach. The question is if he's a really good head coach. Not all great assistants can lead a locker room as the figure head.
yup, that's it for me in a nutshell. I have no doubt that Gulutzan is a smart guy and by all means a "modern" coach, but every time I see and hear him talk I highly doubt that he's a locker room guy who gets his point across and fires a locker room up. Could be wrong of course, and probably am.
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He's looking at the video monitor in the bench... cmon..

I think GG will be forgiven by many if they can figure out the damn special teams and for that, Cameron has to go..

Until then, GG will be heavily criticized, rightfully or wrongly.
I don't know if your being sarcastic, so I'll just ask. Is there really a video monitor on the bench?
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yup, that's it for me in a nutshell. I have no doubt that Gulutzan is a smart guy and by all means a "modern" coach, but every time I see and hear him talk I highly doubt that he's a locker room guy who gets his point across and fires a locker room up. Could be wrong of course, and probably am.
I feel the same way. There is nothing about him that is inspiring. He sounds smart when he talks but there is a difference between being intelligent and a leader.
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I don't know if your being sarcastic, so I'll just ask. Is there really a video monitor on the bench?
There is a monitor in the bench, yes.
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There's plenty of time to see the replays between games and then direct his players about what they did and what was right or what should change. Staring at that monitor all the time makes him look bad. Its like he didn't see the play the first time or doesn't know what to say to his players so he just stares at it.

As a player you are told, head up, look in front of you not at the puck. It to me is obvious a coach should have his head up also, watch the ice not the monitor. Engage with your team, provide encouragement or admonitions. And there's nothing wrong with sticking up for your team once in a while by yelling at the ref when they make a bad call.
Quite frankly, you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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aaaaah, the memories.
Aww Man, I can not believe ive never seen that before.

Than kyou so much! That was a gut buster!
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Unfortunately for you, I have to wait for my system to refresh at work today and this is a forum. I can post a stupid comment if I want.
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I guess you can but if everyone knowingly posts stupid comments, the whole forum becomes stupid.
So please - if you know you are posting something stupid. Don't.
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It's the open carry of forum posting. There's no reason to do it, but you need to remind everyone that technically you're allowed to.
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Unfortunately for you, I have to wait for my system to refresh at work today and this is a forum. I can post a stupid comment if I want.

Some people take this crap way too seriously. Look at all that time you wasted replying.
Being bored and having nothing to do isn't an acceptable reason to be a terrible poster making stupid posts.
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