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Is it possible that the left might be able to troll and bait Trump into doing nothing his entire presidency? He just seems so... trollable.
You must have missed all the insults hurled at Donald Trump on this forum (for months) he was called everything in the book including making fun of his ancestral name, as low as you can go.
And? Did you find that debating with people that did that devolved into jeering and mocking insinuations? Because I bet it did.
His comment had nothing to do with a "holier than thou" sentiment. Avoiding a debate with people who just use that type of language, left or right, is just smart.
I know you think otherwise, but not everything has to be framed as right vs left.
You must have missed all the insults hurled at Donald Trump on this forum (for months) he was called everything in the book including making fun of his ancestral name, as low as you can go.
This is the part of the RW that makes my head hurt. The absolute willful ignorance and double standards they display on a continual basis is appalling. They willfully ignore the precedent set by their own candidate and his behaviors. They allow their guy or party to play by one set of rules but don't think it fair when the opposition follows the same rules. And they willfully ignore facts and make up their own to challenge anyone who opposes them.
I mean, like poor we Donald Trump. Can you believe anyone would stoop to the level of calling him names? Donald would never do such a thing! Except that he did. 282 times. Can't take thise back. Can't deflect them either. They happened and Trump did them himself.
And then poor Donald Trump. Can you imagine anyone making fun of him for running from the heritage behind his name? Who would do such a thing? Certainly not Donald Trump! Oh wait. he did, when he attacked Jon Stewart about him abandoning his last name for something less "Jewish."
Yes, people have gone to the depths of humanity in attacking Trump about his name. I mean, what could be worse than that?
Not this.
Not this.
Save you faux indignation about the treatment of Trump. He deserves every bit of derision he gets.
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When is the left going to learn? The smear attempts don't work in fact they backfire. And before you accuse me of using divisive terms that's not my invention or doing pretty much anyone that had even an inkling of voting for Trump was relentlessly attacked and pigeon holed.
Here's a reality check, people that voted for Obama in the swing states voted for Trump. A good friend of mine is a registered Democrat and voted Trump, many did the same. You know why? A major factor is they got tired of being called racist, sexist the whole name calling package that gets tossed at anyone that does not like the direction and tactics of the Democratic party.
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This is the part of the RW that makes my head hurt. The absolute willful ignorance and double standards they display on a continual basis is appalling
Perfect example of the dismissive us versus them mentality.
The hilarity of the "non PC" party clutching their pearls at every comment that's made will never get old. How dare you cast dispersions upon my person or party sir, I'll have you know this will not lead to any sort of intellectual discourse.
It's gonna be a long four years.
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I left my name-calling commie package back on the private jet. Can anyone lend me theirs?
The hilarity of the "non PC" party clutching their pearls at every comment that's made will never get old. How dare you cast dispersions upon my person or party sir, I'll have you know this will not lead to any sort of intellectual discourse.
It's gonna be a long four years.
It's the "non PC" party now, lol. What happened to, not everything has to be framed as right vs left. That's just another version.
When is the left going to learn? The smear attempts don't work in fact they backfire. And before you accuse me of using divisive terms that's not my invention or doing pretty much anyone that had even an inkling of voting for Trump was relentlessly attacked and pigeon holed.
The "alt right" and the actual racists were relentlessly attacked. Spare me your victimization. Hillary supporters had even worse names thrown at them by Trump truthers.
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Here's a reality check, people that voted for Obama in the swing states voted for Trump. A good friend of mine is a registered Democrat and voted Trump, many did the same. You know why? A major factor is they got tired of being called racist, sexist the whole name calling package that gets tossed at anyone that does not like the direction and tactics of the Democratic party.
I voted for the candidate who has no experience, a dangerously spotty business record and a litany of racist, bigoted and misogynistic rants because I'm tired of being called names.
That's an incredibly stupid response then.
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Perfect example of the dismissive us versus them mentality.
Agreed. Though his point stands. If a debate point isn't grounded in any sort of reality, it should be dismissed
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The "alt right" and the actual racists were relentlessly attacked. Spare me your victimization.Hillary supporters had even worse names thrown at them by Trump truthers.
See, it's hard to argue facts with trolls, because as soon as you throw the facts in their faces they run away and hide and wait for the post to slide four or five pages back in the discussion. Just like you're about to do with this one as I bury you in facts.
The gender wage gap is real, and there is no denying it. Women have always got paid less, especially in many male dominated industries. The one places where women have an edge are businesses where women are the dominant gender or they run themselves. There are some tangible reasons why women get paid less, but the reality is that they do earn less than men. Here are the facts to prove just that.
I'm sure you're going to cry foul based on the source, because it is an advocacy group for women. Well, don't worry troll, I come prepared with a non-partisan report from congress on gender pay inequity.
Man, I hate it when the facts stack against you like that. It's almost like you live in your own little isolated bubble.
See, this is why you can't be taken seriously. You don't know anything about the incident nor who was responsible for what happened. From another post in another thread explaining the email issue:
This is a complex issue. It boils down to data classification and labels, who is responsible for data handling according to those labels, who is responsible for management of the email system and the overall security of it, and who is responsible for the approval of the configuration of the system and the clearances for individuals who manage the system.
Data classifications are pretty straight forward. There is no grey area when it comes to data classification and labels. If a document has a classification label affixed to it you must protect it as per the classification standard for that label. If something is public, anyone can see it. If it is internal, only individuals from the agency should have access to the data. If it is confidential, there is a restriction and it may only be handled by individuals cleared to do so. Labels of this type are normally associated to the operational issues affecting an agency and are handled through role based controls. One you get into labels above that, they become protected by layers of security policy and mechanisms. These mandatory access controls provide no wiggle room. If they have one of these labels affixed you are compelled to handle the data in the appropriate manner or face criminal prosecution.
An important thing to understand about data classification and handling is that a document does not receive a label until there is some type of administrative action that identifies the information as requiring a specialized label. A document may be circulating in email for days, months or years before is receives a classification label. Only at that point is anyone compelled to handle that information with the procedures as outlined in the security policy. So in this particular case, it is very likely that the information is Clinton’s email was there prior to the application of the classification label.
As to who is responsible for handling information and who is accountable, well Clinton is responsible for her data handling. No one else’s. Each individual is responsible for their own actions when it comes to data handling. Responsibility extends to what you do when you receive information with a sensitivity label. Receiving information is legal, because you have no control over who is sending information to you. The requirement to follow security protocols is on the individual who sent (disseminated) the information. If you receive information and you do not forward it (second party dissemination) you have broken no law. If you elect to sit on it, you must do so by storing in a secure location, usually an encrypted database or file share on a server. If you save it locally to your workstation, you may be in compliance so far as your workstation uses full disk encryption (FDE). Almost all federal systems are mandated to use FDE, strong passwords with a minimum complexity of three and a minimum length of 8-15 characters (depends on agency), and multi-factor authentication to access systems. This is where server configuration comes into play.
The Clinton team procured the services of a third party to manage her email system. This contractor would normally be cleared for service provision by the State Department, as this is Clinton’s home agency. They would have to submit the appropriate credentials and go through a substantial background check just to be a government contractor to the State Department. This is SOP and every department does it. So these guys would have been fingerprinted, interviewed, a wants and warrants run through NCIC, and then, depending on the access requirements, a background exam and polygraph. I suspect that since these guys were handling government data, even just email, they would have had to do the full boat. It isn’t fun, as they really go through the history of your personal relationships and check everything. I’ve been in some of these systems and it is scary the information available to the feds to establish relationships. Seriously, it would blow your mind. So these guys would have been vetted to the Nth degree if the State Department had anything to do with it. The fact that they got these guys to do a synchronization between Clinton’s server and the State Department servers tells me they knew about them and had properly vetted them.
So now it comes down to the configuration of the server. Here is where things get a little dicey. These guys didn’t sound like they were Exchange experts nor security engineers. I don’t think they did anything but a standard configuration as you would expect from any business. Based on the comments from the feds they definitely did not use encryption on the server in any shape or form. These guys are ones responsible for managing the server and responsible for the proper configuration of the system. If there is any wrong doing in this regard the buck stops with the contracted third party. If they screwed the pooch and didn’t configure it properly they would be the ones accountable. Clinton and the State Department face a possible reprimand, and it could be substantial with penalties as documented in policy, but they aren’t falling on their swords. The only way Clinton has to fall on her sword is if she practiced second party dissemination of information with a security label.
Normally, because of mandatory access controls, it is unlikely you are going to get information through email without appropriate encryption placed on the doc. Normally, information that has a mandatory access control will be protected on secure infrastructure when you have to log in remotely to view the document. This is part of every agencies Data Loss Prevention (DLP) strategy and it is mandated for most federal agencies that handle documents requiring a mandatory access control. These systems have everything logged in the most verbose manner, so they know who has accessed what, when, from where, and by what device.
Comey’s original comments clearly stated that there was not enough evidence to prosecute. To prosecute, there must be intent. If Clinton forwarded an email that was not labelled, and a sensitivity label had been affixed after the fact, there is no intent. She would have to forward something that clearly had a handling label on it, or pull it from a system that she knew was secure. If this was the case, she would have been charged and frog marched in front of the media. The FBI granting immunity to the service providers confirms much of my suspicions. They granted these guys immunity on configuration in hopes of nailing Clinton for dissemination of classified information. Unfortunately, there wasn’t any evidence to support the claim and the immunity left the FBI holding a big steaming bag of ####. This happens more often than law enforcement likes to admit because they will give up a small fish in hopes of nailing a big one. It didn’t work here.
One last thing I would like to point out. The use of BleachBit is a joke. Seriously, this has the government security community privately laughing. BleachBit is effective in “erasing” information so your boss or local system administrator can’t see it, or fully recover information, but the feds use tools and hardware that can recover data after a multiple pass DoD wipe (writing 1s and 0s across the full disk). EnCase is a bad motherfugger when it comes to recovering data, and it can crack some of the best security around. That doesn’t even include some of the homegrown tools available to the Computer Forensics experts are Quantico. There is no hiding deleted files from the Feds unless you know what you are doing, and these guys clearly didn’t have a clue. They would have had to burn the system completely down to the ground to make that data go away. A free piece of software ain’t getting the job done.
I'm curious how what the Clinton team did is any different to you than what Karl Rove and the Bush Administration did when they ran a private server at RNC headquarters and deleted 330 MILLION emails when they were told to produce them?
You were given your chance before the election and you ran away. You completely disappeared for pages and pages. What happened there tough guy?
See you in five or six pages, troll.
Gender wage gap is a persisting myth that won't go away. For example if we were both carpenters making $30 an hour, say I worked 60 hours a week and you worked 40 hours a week, who earns more? Obviously me because I worked more hours and it only seems fair that I should earn more. Learn the difference between wages and earnings. Men work more that's why they earn more, it's pretty simple really. Again, if you could pay a woman less money to do the same job as a man, there would be many civil discrimination suits, and rightfully so. This isn't the case, no economist takes this seriously, it's just a politically motivated myth that won't die.
That link should paint a much clearer picture for you, it even deals with the links you posted.
So why did the FBI re-open the investigation? I know just to get the masses to vote for Trump, which has already been alleged by some posters here.
Almost all of Clinton's inner circle - the cast of advisers known as Clintonworld - and many of their family are caught up in an FBI dragnet.
The scale of investigations under way is unprecedented in electoral history.
There are five separate investigations:
The handling of classified information on the Clinton email server
Whether the Foundation was used to peddle influence
Whether illegal Chinese donations were taken by a Clinton intimate
Whether John Podesta's brother acted as a front for illegal lobbying
Anthony Weiner's sexting relationship with a 15-year-old.
Now we have what's being referred to as "PizzaGate".
I don't think you get the extent to how deep her corruption and those in her inner circle really goes. This is a little more then just plausible deniability and being careless with emails or trusting the wrong third party officials like you are trying to point out. There is clear intent here, whether or not these people get punished I guess we will see. How many times can she be accused of being a criminal before the apologists will take an actual look at it. Scandal follows her everywhere she goes, and it's pretty obvious why.
You can just google Hillary Clinton email scandal and go from there. I could post some links but you would just dismiss it because that's not where you get your news from.
I missed that post, to be fair it likely got lost in the shuffle of hurling garbage insults at Trump and Shillary apologetics. Yay I got an actual challenger. Let's dance.
I am pretty sure it is because you don't debate crazy. You will always have am answer for everything that doesn't fit into your world view, manufacturing controversy and conspiracy where none exist. The use of mocking names like Shillary demonstrates how pointless getting into a disagreement with you would be as it would quickly devolve into jeering, mocking insinuations about ####s and the like.
Donald Trump is a complete unknown, I fear his economic policy will be disastrous to the world economy as he has no true policy or objectives, other than to reduce free trade, something that United States consumers benefit from greatly.
Isn't that what most of the posters here are doing, just with the pro-Hillary and anti-Trump spin? It's just that I hold a different opinion, so every mocking and jeering thing I say is terrible, while it's all good to pile on Trump.
The "alt right" and the actual racists were relentlessly attacked. Spare me your victimization. Hillary supporters had even worse names thrown at them by Trump truthers.
I voted for the candidate who has no experience, a dangerously spotty business record and a litany of racist, bigoted and misogynistic rants because I'm tired of being called names.
That's an incredibly stupid response then.
Agreed. Though his point stands. If a debate point isn't grounded in any sort of reality, it should be dismissed
First of all business is cut throat, he likely has done some shady things to become a billionaire and universal brand, that's part of the game.
I would say no experience is better then the terrible track record of blunders and shady dealings that Hillary has as "experience".
What racist thing did he say? That statement he made about illegals? That's not racist. He's employed more minorities then Hillary and hasn't supported wars and interventionist policies that have led to the deaths or thousands of Middle Eastern people, particularly Muslim people. I would consider her more racist, what has she done for minorities in all her years of public service?
He's an old school New Yorker that's 70 years old, I guess you could perceive him as a bit misogynistic. That bus comment was bad, but who hasn't said something pretty bad when they are just joking around. He shoots from the hip and says what he thinks, instead of just putting on a PC facade to get elected.
When is the left going to learn? The smear attempts don't work in fact they backfire. And before you accuse me of using divisive terms that's not my invention or doing pretty much anyone that had even an inkling of voting for Trump was relentlessly attacked and pigeon holed.
Here's a reality check, people that voted for Obama in the swing states voted for Trump. A good friend of mine is a registered Democrat and voted Trump, many did the same. You know why? A major factor is they got tired of being called racist, sexist the whole name calling package that gets tossed at anyone that does not like the direction and tactics of the Democratic party.
Perfect example of the dismissive us versus them mentality.
So your friend get so tired of being called racist and sexist - that they vote for a man who is racist and sexist. Maybe you should look into the quality of the character of your friend. I truly think that Donald Trump is a bad person, he has a track record of being a bad person, and even as he prepares for the presidency he continues to be a bad person. Voting for him doesn't make someone a bad person, but it really makes me question their values.
I don't think that Hillary Clinton was a good person or someone who was completely trustworthy, but the fact of the matter is that she was at least not outwardly offensive.
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