[News] Gaudreau will have surgery to repair fractured finger (out ~6 weeks)

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Dumba didn't even take an instigator for dropping his gloves and jumping Hathaway.

The Flames got a PP out of that exchange. No fighting majors were handed out (so no instigator) Dumba got a double minor for roughing and Hathaway got a solo roughing... complain at the refs plenty for last night but that was the right call.

[mcjmcj]

For all those crying foul, it was a slash which happens all the time, and unfortunately Gaudreau needs surgery. Even with Gaudreau in the line up, the Flames look brutal. He's out, move on, and start playing a team game, and Monahan - start to show up.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by mcjmcj

For all those crying foul, it was a slash which happens all the time, and unfortunately Gaudreau needs surgery. Even with Gaudreau in the line up, the Flames look brutal. He's out, move on, and start playing a team game, and Monahan - start to show up.

Your argument is that rule breaking happens all the time, so we should just move on? Of course we are crying foul, as a slash is literally a foul in hockey.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by mcjmcj

For all those crying foul, it was a slash which happens all the time, and unfortunately Gaudreau needs surgery. Even with Gaudreau in the line up, the Flames look brutal. He's out, move on, and start playing a team game, and Monahan - start to show up.

A slash? How about 21 slashes!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The Flames got a PP out of that exchange. No fighting majors were handed out (so no instigator) Dumba got a double minor for roughing and Hathaway got a solo roughing... complain at the refs plenty for last night but that was the right call.

But if he had been given an instigator penalty the flames would've gotten a 2 minute powerplay and Dumba would've gotten a misconduct, a much worse punishment to minnesota.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by mcjmcj

For all those crying foul, it was a slash which happens all the time, and unfortunately Gaudreau needs surgery. Even with Gaudreau in the line up, the Flames look brutal. He's out, move on, and start playing a team game, and Monahan - start to show up.

The latter has nothing to do with the former. The existence of one does not preclude the other.

Gaudreau is the main source of entertainment for fans in a brutal season. We have every right to be angry.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Whenever I've seen my boss lose hit #### I've been embarrassed for him, not motivated.

Losing it is way different than sticking up for a teammate. You don't have to go nuts but you sure can go rough a guy up, finsh a check a little harder or give him some of his own medicine right back.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The Flames got a PP out of that exchange. No fighting majors were handed out (so no instigator) Dumba got a double minor for roughing and Hathaway got a solo roughing... complain at the refs plenty for last night but that was the right call.

I have no problem with the call. Sometimes you take a penalty for stepping up for a teammate.

All this fear of a the instigator penalty, yet the officials rarely call it anyway when it comes to standing up for a teammate in the heat of play. In this case, Dumba dropped his gloves, threw a few shots and had Hathaway in a headlock before he could even defend himself and the Wild were only shorthanded for 2 minutes. Teams that support each other will gladly kill that penalty every time.

[V]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Your welcome for defending freedom and keeping drugs off the street.

Ew. Hero worship gets really gross when the 'hero' feels entitled to the worship.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Southside

Someone in Management absolutely has to say something publicly. This is a serious situation, the coach called the on-ice officials on it during the second intermission. The slashes, with no penalty calls continued into the third period and now our star player, one of the best young players in the game is injured and out of action for 4-6 weeks. That is complete bush league. If Burke, or Tre or whoever is afraid of a fine in this situation then I have completely given them too much credit. Call a spade a spade and pay the fine if need be.

Burke is the right man for the job. Its his shtick. It will play everywhere. And he needs to do it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Losing your cool in command is something Capt. Sobel would do.

Keeping a level head and focusing on the objective is something Capt. Winters would do.

I know who I'd rather serve under.

LOL, awesome reference, and I agree.

[GioforPM]

I can't criticize Gio or Brouwer. Huge complaints and threats can risk discipline if something happens down the road. Officials also don't like to be publicly called out and will bear a grudge (back channel or management criticism probably works better). And they probably don't want to instill a "woe is me" attutude for the rest of the team. They as players may feel they have to move forward, not look backwards.

[calgarywinning]

Game was too tight to throw it away avenging Johnny. They had little room and a bad power play goal would sink them.

I can't believe how nonchalant Gulu is over this. We talked to the ref's in the second period. They were physically targeting his left hand all evening with slashes. That's intentional and outside the scope of a "slash".

Maybe the team will step up now that he's out, but the last two wins would be losses if it weren't J. Gaudreau.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by mcjmcj

For all those crying foul, it was a slash which happens all the time, and unfortunately Gaudreau needs surgery. Even with Gaudreau in the line up, the Flames look brutal. He's out, move on, and start playing a team game, and Monahan - start to show up.

Except it was one slash, and then two. Then the Flames coaching staff spoke to the officials about it in the intermission, and then a third one that was the nail in the coffin for Gaudreau for 6 weeks and no one in stripes did anything about it or to even discourage it from happening. It wasn't a freak, out of the blue thing.

I don't see it happening to anyone else on the Flames with the same frequency or aggressiveness. Gaudreau is being targeted and it's not just an everyday, part of the game thing.

[tremorchrist]

It should be like the NFL where the Ref's are publicly held accountable. I'm sure they'd watch like a f'n hawk for that kind of garbage.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Losing your cool in command is something Capt. Sobel would do.

Keeping a level head and focusing on the objective is something Capt. Winters would do.

I know who I'd rather serve under.

Edmonton is Lt.Dike

Dike: 1st sergeant lipton, you get things organized here........i'm gonna go for...help.

[JohnnyT]

Decided to look up the guidelines for slashing in the rulebook to see what it says an infraction for slashing is. Wow, that play doesn't called any where near the way it is written in the book:

Rule 61 - Slashing
61.1 Slashing -Slashing is the act of a player swinging his stick at an opponent, whether contract is made or not. Non-aggressive stick contact to the pant or front of the shin pads, should not be penalized as slashing. Any forceful or powerful chop with the stick on an opponent's body, the opponent's stick, or on or near the opponent's hands that, in the judgement of the referee, is not an attempt to play the puck, shall be penalized as slashing.

[GioforPM]

Warrener compared Johnny to Cam Newton who gets more unpenalized hits than any other QB by a long ways. I'd have to see slashing calls versus other players compared to JG to know whether that's accurate. It may be that slashes to the hands aren't called much on any players (and Johnny takes the puck through traffic as much or more as any player).

Maybe it's comparable to the old "hack a Shaq" strategy, where they would foul O'Neill because he was less dangerous at the free throw line. They know there will either be no call or an ineffective power play.

Warrener also says Pronger use to philosophize that he'd hack away and continue to do so all game because "they can't call all of them".

[CliffFletcher]

And the thing about slashing is it adds nothing to the game. It's not a like a big hit, or a scrum in the corner. There's no passion or intensity that gets fans amped up. It's just a meaningless cheap play that can break bones. Why hasn't it been cracked down on with the same deliberate consistency as hooking and holding?