11-15-2016, 01:43 PM
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#161
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Franchise Player
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from nhl.com (note: numbers don't add up exactly, probably because of the way I chose the end of month and beginning of month dates, but close enough):
(goals / chances / % / rank for the month (not cummulative):
Oct: 4 / 29 / 13.8% / 22nd
Nov: 4 / 33 / 12.1% / 27th
Dec: 5 / 44 / 11.4% / 26th
Jan: 7 / 40 / 17.5% / 15th
Feb: 11 / 44 / 25% / 7th
M/A: 13 / 67 / 19.4% / 10th
to put it more clearly:
Oct - Dec: 14 / 109 / 12.8% / 30th
Jan - Apr: 32 / 155 / 20.6% / 7th
Yes, the Flames PP was 7th overall from New Year's on.
Pretty dramatic change from the first half of the season.
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11-15-2016, 01:44 PM
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#162
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Big differences being Gelinas in charge and Hamilton getting the minutes?
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11-15-2016, 01:46 PM
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#163
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Franchise Player
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^ if I change the start date from Jan 1st to Dec 31st for the 2nd half data, the Flames move from 7th overall to 9th. New Years Eve must have been a ####ty night for the PP!
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11-15-2016, 01:47 PM
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#164
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by DomeFoam
...We can talk about his 40 points all we want but I would take non-flashy defensive stud player 10/10 times before offensively minded defencemen. Its the same argument people make that put Karlsson ahead of Doughty. Doughty is ahead by miles IMO - defence wins championships
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If you followed this metric your team would suck.
The fact of the matter is that a successful team needs BOTH defensemen that can skate extremely well, move the puck, and set up plays in the offensive zone AND defensemen who can eliminate opposition offense in the defensive zone. A player like Doughty who can do both is the ideal, but also an extreme rarity. An offensively gifted defenseman like Dougie Hamilton is absolutely an integral part of any championship team.
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11-15-2016, 01:48 PM
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#165
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Big differences being Gelinas in charge and Hamilton getting the minutes?
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There are a lot of variables. Yes, Wideman struggled in the first part of the season and Hamilton was better.
But Monahan, Gaudreau and Giordano were probably better too. Really hard to pinpoint something with so many moving parts.
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11-15-2016, 02:55 PM
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#166
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Currently injured (concussion), has been playing second line LW this year. Currently at .5 PPG, like last year. So around the same production as Hamilton (except not a defenceman).
BTW, who plays defence in Hamilton's spot?
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Andersson. This season is already a wash
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11-15-2016, 03:01 PM
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#167
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
Andersson. This season is already a wash
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Yeah, that's a brilliant idea. How quickly will you turn on him when he inevitably struggles?
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11-15-2016, 03:20 PM
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#168
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Big differences being Gelinas in charge and Hamilton getting the minutes?
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Big difference between pressure playoff race and mop up garbage time
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11-15-2016, 03:21 PM
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#169
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Yeah, that's a brilliant idea. How quickly will you turn on him when he inevitably struggles?
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I wont. As long as i see progression
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11-15-2016, 03:21 PM
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#170
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
Andersson. This season is already a wash
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Yeah, the season is a wash. Better destroy a prospect's development path for kicks.
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11-15-2016, 03:23 PM
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#171
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
I wont. As long as i see progression
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I don't believe you.
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11-15-2016, 03:23 PM
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#172
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Yeah, the season is a wash. Better destroy a prospect's development path for kicks.
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Im not here to fight with you guys. Just stating my opinion. Everyone is head over heels in love with hamilton and i simply am not.
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11-15-2016, 03:24 PM
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#173
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
Big difference between pressure playoff race and mop up garbage time
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The Flames were close to a PO spot when the PP turned around. It was not "garbage time".
Between this and "let's replace Hamilton with Andersson 1/4 of the way in" you are simply embarrassing yourself at this point.
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11-15-2016, 03:33 PM
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#174
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cranbrook
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
Im not here to fight with you guys. Just stating my opinion. Everyone is head over heels in love with hamilton and i simply am not.
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Always with the extremes... you do realize there is a lot of grey area between "in love with Hamilton" and "Hamilton is hot garbage anchor that needs to go".
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11-15-2016, 03:35 PM
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#175
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Looks like RRR is side railing another Hamilton thread.
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11-15-2016, 04:01 PM
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#176
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy
Im not here to fight with you guys. Just stating my opinion. Everyone is head over heels in love with hamilton and i simply am not.
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I don't think there are many who are "head over heels" for Hamilton.
From what I've read in this thread, most are admitting that he hasn't been good so far this season, but with the caveat that none of our defense really has.
It seems that you're expecting a relatively young defenseman to be playing like a veteran, which is a little unfair considering when most defense don't hit their stride until their mid 20's.
I personally don't think he's been as bad defensively as some people in this forum. I cringe every time I look at the gt thread after a goal against when Hamilton has been on the ice, because he's inevitably blamed whether at fault or not.
We also don't really have anyone to step into his position if we traded him for anything other than another 3-4 d man.
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Originally Posted by snipetype
k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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11-15-2016, 04:03 PM
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#177
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Why do you idiots respond to this guy?
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11-15-2016, 04:54 PM
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#178
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
The Flames were close to a PO spot when the PP turned around. It was not "garbage time".
Between this and "let's replace Hamilton with Andersson 1/4 of the way in" you are simply embarrassing yourself at this point.
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Thanks for youe opinion. Its valued greatly.
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11-15-2016, 05:10 PM
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#179
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I really hope Hamilton doesnt get Phaneuf'ed.
I feel as though the team see's him as the #3 dman even if hes paired on the 3rd pairing, I would like to see him and Engelland together on the 2nd pairing.
23 year old 6'6 Dman that can put up points and skate, that pretty unique.. we should be patient. No reason to treat this guy like Colborne and 2020 Jankowski (just a joke for my dad).
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11-15-2016, 05:56 PM
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#180
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Lifetime Suspension
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I agree with Yanda, another panic deal like the Phaneuf one puts the Flames right back where they were at that time, no further forward as a franchise.
The GM needs to be patient, we were not going to be a playoff team this year anyway, if anything take a longer look at some of the older players as trade bait and retain salary.
There is no deal, no magic button that is going to turn around the team quickly.
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