Arizona Coyotes to announce Tempe arena due to open 2019/2020 Season

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

So that's two new arenas before we can get one?

Cool. Good job Ken King.

So you think the rate at which the Coyotes are building and moving arena's is a sign of solid business management and a good spend of dollars? I'm sure KK will take that under advisement.

[Finger Cookin]

Good for the Coyotes. When this arena opens the franchise will have lasted longer in Arizona than it did in Winnipeg.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CGY12

A lot of people here have probably never been to Phoenix or understand how the location of the team really hinders the ability to draw good crowds. I totally understand the mentality of "enough already just move the team", but I personally believe it can be a success if put in the right situation. I think the idea of building the arena beside ASU campus in Tempe, where 50 thousand plus students attend is a great idea.

The student body is now just north of 83,000. President Crow wants 100,000 on campus, and they are on the way. The ASU location is prime as it is at the confluence of 101 and 202, with US60 and I10 not far away.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Students don't buy seasons tickets

Don't discount that impact. Lots of rich kids are coming to ASU, and lots from the northeast. Season tickets or ticket packs will probably sell well. There is no shortage of money on Mill. The dorm parking lots have more money parked there than the faculty lots. I know there are lots of students who do Cards season tickets so NHL is just as possible.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So you think the rate at which the Coyotes are building and moving arena's is a sign of solid business management and a good spend of dollars? I'm sure KK will take that under advisement.

Location is crucial to the success of a team. Ask Ottawa. Imagine the Flames building their arena in Carstairs. Think that would help draw fans? Phoenix will finally have a good arena designed for hockey in a great location.

[White Out 403]

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[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Students don't buy seasons tickets

Short sighted much?

The coyotes are tapping into a market that probably has never existed for them before. You need to build a new layer of fan base to go with what you currently have. Putting them beside a University that is nearing 100 thousand students, in a nice part of Phoenix, has huge upside. Add that to the fact they actually have a young and upcoming team, this might be the best idea yet from a non traditional american hockey market.

I also want to add that I am no Coyotes fan, but having first hand experience with hockey down there, I believe it can work if they just get out of Glendale and into the right location (which they have). I guess time will tell... Good first step.

[Julio]

Holy crap...it happened...on a Monday!

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I'm not opposed to helping them a little bit but I'd agree the vast majority should be from the team.



Did I suggest building a rink in Airdrie or Okotoks? Must have missed that.

I just want a new rink. Arizona has gotten two to our zero. That's about as much thought I put into my post.

.... something doesn't add up here, you'll need to put more skin in the game to meet your demands.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by New Era

Location is crucial to the success of a team. Ask Ottawa. Imagine the Flames building their arena in Carstairs. Think that would help draw fans? Phoenix will finally have a good arena designed for hockey in a great location.

Carstairs would be twice as from downtown as Ottawa's rink is from their downtown. This looks great for Phoenix and location is a huge part of it, but it's not 100% of the story.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

The student body is now just north of 83,000. President Crow wants 100,000 on campus, and they are on the way. The ASU location is prime as it is at the confluence of 101 and 202, with US60 and I10 not far away.



Don't discount that impact. Lots of rich kids are coming to ASU, and lots from the northeast. Season tickets or ticket packs will probably sell well. There is no shortage of money on Mill. The dorm parking lots have more money parked there than the faculty lots. I know there are lots of students who do Cards season tickets so NHL is just as possible.



Location is crucial to the success of a team. Ask Ottawa. Imagine the Flames building their arena in Carstairs. Think that would help draw fans? Phoenix will finally have a good arena designed for hockey in a great location.

I completely agree New Era. Just not sure we should be pointing to the Coyote model of actually getting a rink in the right location and using that as ammo to slam the Flames process. If anything it provides fuel to suggest that the Flames take their time as they are doing to get the right deal with the municipality, the right location and right building that meets the needs of the team, the city and the fan base.

[CroFlames]

I wonder what will happen to Gila River arena now and that megaplex they build way out in Glendale.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Short sighted much?

The coyotes are tapping into a market that probably has never existed for them before. You need to build a new layer of fan base to go with what you currently have. Putting them beside a University that is nearing 100 thousand students, in a nice part of Phoenix, has huge upside. Add that to the fact they actually have a young and upcoming team, this might be the best idea yet from a non traditional american hockey market.

I also want to add that I am no Coyotes fan, but having first hand experience with hockey down there, I believe it can work if they just get out of Glendale and into the right location (which they have). I guess time will tell... Good first step.

Most students will not live anywhere near Tempe, post graduation. ASU is one of the larger, nationally-recruiting campuses in the country. The vast majority of students will go back to their lives somewhere nowhere near Tempe.

Even the students from Arizona will go back to whatever part of the area they are from.

A university campus is not the best location to build a fanbase.

If you want to attract season ticket holders, go where the money is - go to Scottsdale.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Most students will not live anywhere near Tempe, post graduation. ASU is one of the larger, nationally-recruiting campuses in the country. The vast majority of students will go back to their lives somewhere nowhere near Tempe.

Even the students from Arizona will go back to whatever part of the area they are from.

A university campus is not the best location to build a fanbase.

If you want to attract season ticket holders, go where the money is - go to Scottsdale.

You would be surprised at the number of students who hang around Arizona after graduation. For some reason, they get used to the weather, the cost of living, and decide it is a pretty cool place to live. A college campus is also an amazing place to develop a fan base. Have you ever been to a homecoming game? Oh my god, its insane. If they can translate the enthusiasm for the college team to the NHL team it will be a massive boon. I think they will be cross marketing the Div I and NHL team. It just makes too much sense as it gets more butts in the seats for all games.

The new location is going to be the best of all worlds. The money is in Scottsdale, Gilbert and Chandler. There is some in parts of Tempe and Mesa, but those other east communities is where the real money is. Having the arena on the ASU campus puts it right in the middle of all that money, no worse than half an hour away from most points in those communities. This is a real huge development for Phoenix and the Coyotes.

[corporatejay]

Sorry are we all just going to gloss over the fact that this failed private business is again asking for a welfare corporate hand out from the government to play a sport that dozens in the area care about. Total idiots. I'll never understand the American attitude of taxes are bad except when we can use them for sports teams.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Sorry are we all just going to gloss over the fact that this failed private business is again asking for a welfare corporate hand out from the government to play a sport that dozens in the area care about. Total idiots. I'll never understand the American attitude of taxes are bad except when we can use them for sports teams.

It's pretty ####ty for any other cities with a spine too. How can flames ownership not look at this and think "geez, we could find a city willing to do this too". I get there are other factors at play but still. When you have Arizona bankrolling arenas like an Oprah giveaway, it really puts Calgary in a bit of a tough spot to entirely say no to any public funds. World's most transparent prisoners dilemma where the hold outs always lose.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Most students will not live anywhere near Tempe, post graduation. ASU is one of the larger, nationally-recruiting campuses in the country. The vast majority of students will go back to their lives somewhere nowhere near Tempe.

Even the students from Arizona will go back to whatever part of the area they are from.

A university campus is not the best location to build a fanbase.

If you want to attract season ticket holders, go where the money is - go to Scottsdale.

Have you ever been to Phoenix? Just curious. Tempe is easily accessible for Scottsdale residents, as it is directly north of Tempe, compared to Glendale. Placing the stadium by the University you target both the wealthy Scottsdale crowd as well as the students in Tempe.

Also I'm not sure where you are getting your info on students leaving post graduation, if you have some solid statistics please share otherwise that is pure speculation. My brother and a friend of mine both graduated from ASU, my brother from Calgary and my friend from San Jose, both now live and work full time in Phoenix. Not a huge sample size obviously but 2 experiences I'm familiar with.

New Era mentioned the benefits of living in the Phoenix area. I also believe more vacationing/transplanted Canadians live closer to Tempe, than either Scottsdale or Glendale. That will also help.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Have you ever been to Phoenix? Just curious. Tempe is easily accessible for Scottsdale residents, as it is directly north of Tempe, compared to Glendale. Placing the stadium by the University you target both the wealthy Scottsdale crowd as well as the students in Tempe.

Also I'm not sure where you are getting your info on students leaving post graduation, if you have some solid statistics please share otherwise that is pure speculation. My brother and a friend of mine both graduated from ASU, my brother from Calgary and my friend from San Jose, both now live and work full time in Phoenix. Not a huge sample size obviously but 2 experiences I'm familiar with.

New Era mentioned the benefits of living in the Phoenix area. I also believe more vacationing/transplanted Canadians live closer to Tempe, than either Scottsdale or Glendale. That will also help.

Well, I'm posting from my house in Scottsdale right now, so...

And it's great that you decided to stay after graduation. That however, is not the norm - by a long shot.

But whatever, I hope this arena helps the franchise to stick. I agree that the location is better than Glendale. That doesn't necessarily make it perfect though.

I think it makes far more sense to build the arena in Scottsdale. But Tempe is far from a terrible location.

Edit: to further the point, students, and post-graduation young working people aren't the typical STH demographic. Older, wealthier people buy seasons tickets. Scottsdale is easily the wealthiest demographic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Have you ever been to Phoenix? Just curious. Tempe is easily accessible for Scottsdale residents, as it is directly north of Tempe, compared to Glendale. Placing the stadium by the University you target both the wealthy Scottsdale crowd as well as the students in Tempe.

Also I'm not sure where you are getting your info on students leaving post graduation, if you have some solid statistics please share otherwise that is pure speculation. My brother and a friend of mine both graduated from ASU, my brother from Calgary and my friend from San Jose, both now live and work full time in Phoenix. Not a huge sample size obviously but 2 experiences I'm familiar with.

New Era mentioned the benefits of living in the Phoenix area. I also believe more vacationing/transplanted Canadians live closer to Tempe, than either Scottsdale or Glendale. That will also help.

Scottsdale has a very high population of Canadians. As does Mesa.

[Sylvanfan]

They can convert the Glendale arena into a launching pad to send underperforming hockey players into the center of the sun. That should get 10 uses per year which appears to be more than what it currently getsoutside of Coyotes games.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by New Era

You would be surprised at the number of students who hang around Arizona after graduation. For some reason, they get used to the weather, the cost of living, and decide it is a pretty cool place to live. A college campus is also an amazing place to develop a fan base. Have you ever been to a homecoming game? Oh my god, its insane. If they can translate the enthusiasm for the college team to the NHL team it will be a massive boon. I think they will be cross marketing the Div I and NHL team. It just makes too much sense as it gets more butts in the seats for all games.

The new location is going to be the best of all worlds. The money is in Scottsdale, Gilbert and Chandler. There is some in parts of Tempe and Mesa, but those other east communities is where the real money is. Having the arena on the ASU campus puts it right in the middle of all that money, no worse than half an hour away from most points in those communities. This is a real huge development for Phoenix and the Coyotes.

Homecoming games are usually free for students.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Homecoming games are usually free for students.

And Coyotes games are prohibitively expensive?