I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You seriously think Hamilton is untradeable with his contract? At the very most we'd be disappointed with the return compared to what we paid. But to suggest that not only cold we not get a crappy return but literally couldn't trade him away is ridiculous.

You are right. Maybe we could get Evander Kane out of Buffalo for him. I can't think of any other disaster that the Flames could take on.

Alan Ladd have been pretty awful with the islanders ... but he always shows battle and compete.

Put it another way , it would be a lot easier to trade Wideman and much easier to trade Engelland or Stajan,

You try to come up with a trade partner that could take on Hamilton's 5.75 for this and another 4 years.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You are right. Maybe we could get Evander Kane out of Buffalo for him. I can't think of any other disaster that the Flames could take on.

Alan Ladd have been pretty awful with the islanders ... but he always shows battle and compete.

Put it another way , it would be a lot easier to trade Wideman and much easier to trade Engelland or Stajan,

You try to come up with a trade partner that could take on Hamilton's 5.75 for this and another 4 years.

You've gone too far now. I was with you that Hamilton has been a disappointment but untradeable? So you're suggesting he goes unclaimed if put on waivers?

Unlike Wideman who definitely goes unclaimed. Probably Stajan too.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You seriously think Hamilton is untradeable with his contract? At the very most we'd be disappointed with the return compared to what we paid. But to suggest that not only cold we not get a crappy return but literally couldn't trade him away is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You've gone too far now. I was with you that Hamilton has been a disappointment but untradeable? So you're suggesting he goes unclaimed if put on waivers?

Unlike Wideman who definitely goes unclaimed. Probably Stajan too.

Why reply people? Why?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You are right. Maybe we could get Evander Kane out of Buffalo for him. I can't think of any other disaster that the Flames could take on.

Alan Ladd have been pretty awful with the islanders ... but he always shows battle and compete.

Put it another way , it would be a lot easier to trade Wideman and much easier to trade Engelland or Stajan,

You try to come up with a trade partner that could take on Hamilton's 5.75 for this and another 4 years.

LOL. That is all.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

There is no defined timeline for a re-build. The fact is the Flames are still missing some critical pieces
- Long-term #1
- #3/4 dman
- Top line winger

So based on the construction and makeup of the team alone, as well as the results, it would seem that the re-build is not complete.

It will probably take longer because of how long the organization stubbornly tried to win now. We are paying the long-term price now for that short-term thinking.

You can also add in the inability to extract any quality assets from the last core that was in place: Kipper/Iginla/Regehr/Bouwmeester - the organization netted next to nothing from those guys.

So it is gonna take a while.

If this team ever gets into another sell mode I would much prefer they trade for young prospects rather than late 1st round draft picks. Brayden Schenn (was a rumoured return) would look better today than the return Iginla netted.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If this team ever gets into another sell mode I would much prefer they trade for young prospects rather than late 1st round draft picks. Brayden Schenn (was a rumoured return) would look better today than the return Iginla netted.

You're forgetting Agostino, Hanowski, Cundari - some serious quality prospects there.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If this team ever gets into another sell mode I would much prefer they trade for young prospects rather than late 1st round draft picks. Brayden Schenn (was a rumoured return) would look better today than the return Iginla netted.

If he had been on the table, when the Flames finally realized they needed to trade him, I have little doubt they would have taken that. Or maybe 12 didn't have Philly on his teeny tiny trade list

[Strange Brew]

I wonder if Matt Murray would have been on the table. Not to go down a rabbit hole of impossible what if's, but this rebuild looks a lot different with a grade A young goalie back there.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I wonder if Matt Murray would have been on the table. Not to go down a rabbit hole of impossible what if's, but this rebuild looks a lot different with a grade A young goalie back there.

Murray was the twelfth goalie picked in the late third round of the 2012 NHL entry draft. In his draft + one season he posted very pedestrian numbers for the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. At the time, he was not remotely close to being a "grade A young goalie." If he ever was in the conversation, it was as a throw-in and not a centrepiece of the Iginla deal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Murray was the twelfth goalie picked in the late third round of the 2012 NHL entry draft. In his draft + one season he posted very pedestrian numbers for the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. At the time, he was not remotely close to being a "grade A young goalie." If he ever was in the conversation, it was as a throw-in and not a centrepiece of the Iginla deal.

Plus, Murray would've overshadowed the acquisition of Reto "the OTHER best goalie not in the NHL" Berra.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Murray was the twelfth goalie picked in the late third round of the 2012 NHL entry draft. In his draft + one season he posted very pedestrian numbers for the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. At the time, he was not remotely close to being a "grade A young goalie." If he ever was in the conversation, it was as a throw-in and not a centrepiece of the Iginla deal.

Agostino and Hanowski were throw-ins. Wonder if he was one of the throw-ins discussed. Maybe not, since even with the facts you mentioned his pedigree was higher than those two.

But yeah, no point since the great Reto Berra was soon to be on his way.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Barca

I don't think thievery was committed but the Canucks got the better player imo.

Beartchi for a 2nd was the supposed thievery because Sven was suppose to be a bust.

both has looked great for the Canucks early in the season. their points don't do justice for their play.

You could make an argument for Granlund on intangibles and defensive responsibility. Though his overall play marks him for what he is: a third line centre. That trade saw Vancouver acquire a low risk, low ceiling player in exchange for a high risk, mid ceiling player. From the Flames perspective, we risked nothing. We may end up with nothing, but we won't end up worse off for it.

But unless Baertschi is scoring, he has little value to add. And Baertschi ain't scoring.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You've gone too far now. I was with you that Hamilton has been a disappointment but untradeable? So you're suggesting he goes unclaimed if put on waivers?

Unlike Wideman who definitely goes unclaimed. Probably Stajan too.

who would claim Hamilton off of waivers? really Come up with a team and how they would work him into their cap and what role he would be slotted for them?

If he can't be a top-4 d-man on the Flames (after they got ride of Russell) where would he be a top 4 guy?

same question as who would claim E. Kane Or Ladd.

[Ashasx]

alan ladd

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Agostino and Hanowski were throw-ins. Wonder if he was one of the throw-ins discussed. Maybe not, since even with the facts you mentioned his pedigree was higher than those two.

But yeah, no point since the great Reto Berra was soon to be on his way.

Agostini and hanowaki were throw ins because they were prospects that had finished developing into AHLers.

Pittsburgh and st Louis were probably happy to be free of the contract spots.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agostini and hanowaki were throw ins because they were prospects that had finished developing into AHLers.

Pittsburgh and st Louis were probably happy to be free of the contract spots.

Both were in college so don't think they were taking up any contract spots.

I miss good old hanowaki.

[GranteedEV]

I hope we fire Treliving before he screws up the expansion draft and the cap space coming in this offseason. The team he's building is a figment of his imagination as all his signings reek the day he makes them and the players he inexplicably lets go outperform them at lower costs.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I hope we fire Treliving before he screws up the expansion draft and the cap space coming in this offseason. The team he's building is a figment of his imagination as all his signings reek the day he makes them and the players he inexplicably lets go outperform them at lower costs.

Non Paul Byron examples please.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

as all his signings reek the day he makes them and the players he inexplicably lets go outperform them at lower costs.

Like Frolik?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Like Frolik?

I'm more interested in the players he let go that are performing well for cheaper.

Paul Byron sure. We all know that.
Colborne? Nothing since the hat-trick
Hudler? Has barely played
Russel? Is the same guy in Edmonton that he was here
Jooris?

Who am I missing?