Yeah POC should really settle down and fall in line, it's not like there are people being set in place to make, enact, or influence policy decisions that could seriously affect their civil rights or anything.
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I love how your only two perceived options are "fall in line and take it" or complain about peoples' privilege. If those are the only two gears that the left still has, then we're all completely screwed.
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Glenn Beck on the radio talking about Bannon's ties to white nationalism. I wish Glenn Beck would be quiet, every time he says something now I feel like I have to read some history books to make sure I haven't woken up in an alternate timeline.
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I love how your only two perceived options are "fall in line and take it" or complain about peoples' privilege. If those are the only two gears that the left still has, then we're all completely screwed.
What's this have to do with the left? I've seen multiple interviews with Republican POCs that have been out in protest.
This has to do with people saying protesting is dumb when the stakes are non-existent for that person.
1) I'm not sure how that argument holds any weight. The vote happened, Trump did not win the popular vote.
2) If that was the case, and things went the other way around, and Clinton won the EC and Trump won the popular vote, what do you think the riots would look like right now? Given the promises of armed insurgency from his supporters, I imagine it would be worse than what's happening right now.
in a popular vote election the candidates would campaign differently. get the vote out, every single vote counts. Trump would still campaign better all over the country not just swing states. places like california, texas and NY would not be ignored as a forgone conclusion.
Look at Brexit. Remain won the cities and it wasn't enough.
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That's the whole point of the EC process in the first place is to do exactly that; make a decision that's different than the popular vote. So I'd argue that the EC process itself is undemocratic (since it's not really 1 person 1 vote). Using the process as it's designed is hardly hijacking.
That said how it's been used in the past, well pretty much forever is important too, more important even, and that's why it a) would never happen and b) if it did, I can't even imagine what it'd look like.
On the gripping hand, would the damage from doing it be more than the damage Trump will have over his term? Can't predict the future, so it'll be an interesting question in 4 years.
I think it is interesting, because it goes to show that at the heart of applied democracy is an undemocratic check and balance. It's like a Pandora's Box though, and one that I wouldn't want to see opened.
Just crystal balling it, but I think it would be much more destructive to whip out the tools that allow them to manipulate election results on this scale. The civil resistance would be too strong IMO.
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What's this have to do with the left? I've seen multiple interviews with Republican POCs that have been out in protest.
This has to do with people saying protesting is dumb when the stakes are non-existent for that person.
The sheer amount of moral confusion in that post... FML.
Protesting this election isn't dumb.
The "stakes" are extremely high for literally everyone regardless of their race, gender or sexual preference. However, they are certainly higher for some people than others (though I'd argue that the effect is likely to be more pronounced across class than race, not that the two don't overlap).
Most importantly, whether protesting a thing is "dumb" or not has nothing whatsoever to do with the "stakes" for the person who's suggesting the protest is or isn't dumb. The dumbness of a protest does not vary with the person observing the protest. This is post-modernist bull####.
Finally, millions of people just told you they're sick of being told they're privileged, sick of being told they're not adequately racially sensitive if they're not outraged by the Cleveland Indians logo or they're misogynists if they like the SI swimsuit issue or they're awful, subhuman monsters if they don't think that every black man shot by a police officer is essentially a lynching. If you swing the pendulum even further, and double down on those politics, then yes, it's not exactly crazy to predict that we're headed for eight years of Trump.
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President-Elect Trump called Alex Jones to thank him, says he'll appear on his show.
"He said, listen Alex, I just talked to kings and queens of the world, world leaders, you name it but I wanted to talk to you to thank your audience and I'll be on in the next few weeks to thank them," Jones said.
The sheer amount of moral confusion in that post... FML.
Protesting this election isn't dumb.
The "stakes" are extremely high for literally everyone regardless of their race, gender or sexual preference. However, they are certainly higher for some people than others (though I'd argue that the effect is likely to be more pronounced across class than race, not that the two don't overlap).
Most importantly, whether protesting a thing is "dumb" or not has nothing whatsoever to do with the "stakes" for the person who's suggesting the protest is or isn't dumb. The dumbness of a protest does not vary with the person observing the protest. This is post-modernist bull####.
Finally, millions of people just told you they're sick of being told they're privileged, sick of being told they're not adequately racially sensitive if they're not outraged by the Cleveland Indians logo or they're misogynists if they like the SI swimsuit issue or they're awful, subhuman monsters if they don't think that every black man shot by a police officer is essentially a lynching. If you swing the pendulum even further, and double down on those politics, then yes, it's not exactly crazy to predict that we're headed for eight years of Trump.
Millions of people are wrong and should check their privilege, respect all races, be against casual racism, and not objectify women. Life isn't so ####ing hard that these things shouldn't be part and parcel with being a decent human being.
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President-Elect Trump called Alex Jones to thank him, says he'll appear on his show.
"He said, listen Alex, I just talked to kings and queens of the world, world leaders, you name it but I wanted to talk to you to thank your audience and I'll be on in the next few weeks to thank them," Jones said.
And I'm just saying that if you continue to try to shame people into accepting your politics and moral code in absolutist terms, they're going to continue to tell you to #### off, and vote for people like Trump (and Farage, and etc etc etc).
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And I'm just saying that if you continue to try to shame people into accepting your politics and moral code in absolutist terms, they're going to continue to tell you to #### off, and vote for people like Trump (and Farage, and etc etc etc).
That's garbage. If people act like idiots it shouldn't be coddled in conciliatory language. Isn't there a huge 'hurr hurr' commentary against moden wussbag people trying not to hurt everyone's feelings? Sure sounds like some people got their feelings so hurt from being told that their casual misogyny and subtle racism were bad that they voted in an idiot surrounded by dangerous idiots. Talk about cutting off your nose.
And I'm just saying that if you continue to try to shame people into accepting your politics and moral code in absolutist terms, they're going to continue to tell you to #### off, and vote for people like Trump (and Farage, and etc etc etc).
I think this is going to be an interesting test the next few years: Can people let #### slide? You know there's going to be lots of baiting and goading to get reactions out of people. Can they ignore it? We'll see, but you definitely captured a strong element of Trump support, the "don't tell me how to feel" crowd. Whether it's the Christian right or the social justice left, people don't like being preached to.
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And I'm just saying that if you continue to try to shame people into accepting your politics and moral code in absolutist terms, they're going to continue to tell you to #### off, and vote for people like Trump (and Farage, and etc etc etc).
Let 'em. There are ebs and flows in progress. It isn't a straight line.
We move forward but if it happens too quickly then society pushes back, and then we move forward again.
The answer isn't "leave people alone."
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So some colleagues and I ordered Trump hats as a gag the day of the election. We didn't think he would win so we bought them for posterity and to mark the end of a circus. The package got smashed by someone in the postal office before it was delivered on Saturday in NY. Contents still ok apparently, but someone must have figured out what it was.
So some colleagues and I ordered Trump hats as a gag the day of the election. We didn't think he would win so we bought them for posterity and to mark the end of a circus. The package got smashed by someone in the postal office before it was delivered on Saturday in NY. Contents still ok apparently, but someone must have figured out what it was.
Same thing happened to me. Except, unfortunately, I had ordered the limited edition Make America Great Again vase accented in tasteful gold plating.
Sad.
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There are plenty of laughs in this thread outside of stale memes.
Like, there is literally a post above that says President-Elect Donald J. Trump respects pants-on-head-crazy talk show host Alex Jones. You can't write this stuff.
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The whole "people protesting are dumb/stupid/whiney/etc, where we they when the system was working for them?" line is completely ridiculous.
LOTS of people insulting protesters in the past couple years who've never felt that feeling that drives people to protest and stand up for something.
I'm not aware, historically, of anyone who has ever been the driving force behind a protest against something that was "working for them," but it suddenly negates the right of these voters to protest the system? Doesn't make sense.
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