PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[GirlySports]

both sides duped, probably whats needed

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Fascinating interview.

Hard to know which Trump you're going to get, but it's entirely possible the far right just got tricked into voting in a pretty left-leaning republican.

It's a better outlook for the country, but what about for him in terms of approval ratings? The moderate right didn't necessarily like him, the far right liked him but now they won't since he'll end up be left of centre if anything. The left didn't like him and still won't like him, but will be slightly less irritated now. All that potentially adds up to something pretty ugly in terms of an approval rating, at least initially. This is going to be a really interesting presidency.

[GirlySports]

definitely

but hopefully he won't govern based on approval rating, there are a lot of issues to solve.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

definitely

but hopefully he won't govern based on approval rating, there are a lot of issues to solve.

The guy who obsessed over poll numbers and audience reaction will govern workout concern of approval ratings?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The guy who obsessed over poll numbers and audience reaction will govern workout concern of approval ratings?

we'll see. That was campaign Trump!

[GirlySports]

this is the problem with the left
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...it+RSS+Feed%29

[CliffFletcher]

Let's not get carried away with the left stuff. He still says he'll build a wall, deport or imprison 3 million illegal immigrants, and appoint supreme court justices who are pro-life and who will defend the 2nd ammendment. Can't see any but his most unhinged supporters being disappointed with that agenda.

[bob-loblaw]

Not that I know much about the US Supreme Court, but he wants Roe vs Wade overturned but takes believes the gay marriage is a fait accompli. I thought he'd be opposed to both.

I was quite disappointed that he won but I'm optimistic that he seems to be acting more presidential and softening his campaign rhetoric. As another poster said, he trolled everyone to get elected and we'll see how it unfolds. He seemed pretty adamant about cleaning up Washington and the lobbyists though so I hope that happens.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by nik-

If he goes too center or left, he'll just get impeached and they'll have Pence take over.

I don;t think he will go left or right.

I think he'll be unpredictable and deal with it issue by issue, with the exceptions of:

immigration
ISIS
Obamacare
Lobbyists

[GirlySports]

well the immigration policy needs to be solved somehow. The line is way too long. Is it because the illegals are clogging up spaces? Not sure.

Currently for family sponsor, parents are 5-6 years, siblings are over 14 years! Every country needs young immigrants not people waiting for 14 years. Would sending criminals who are illegals home and then working on absorbing the other illegals make the line better.

This is something that has stalled for years
in 2007 Bush tried to pass a new law but it was defeated.
Last year Obama tried to protect the illegal immigrants but the supreme court tied 4-4

[afc wimbledon]

The problem for the GOP is Trumps likely unelectable for a second term, nor does he probably care, his campiegn policies were impossible to actually implement, because of this he doesn't have any of the points of leverage a normal Presidant would care about, he'll care less about the party, the senate or congress or his own re election.

[photon]

He's already starting as the most unfavorable president in history, there's a lot more room to move up than down I guess.

EDIT: Maybe because he doesn't have any points of leverage, no political capital, this seemingly playing the alt-right and the establishment-right off each other, plus throw in the Democrats, is his way of keeping things fluid so he'll be able to find temporary alliances to get what he wants done. Or it's all chaos, who knows.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Not that I know much about the US Supreme Court, but he wants Roe vs Wade overturned but takes believes the gay marriage is a fait accompli. I thought he'd be opposed to both.

Honestly, I think he's probably right about that. The majority of the country doesn't want to overturn the gay marriage ruling and the people who do aren't all that energized about it. That's not a hill worth dying on. The pro-life thing on the other hand, the people who want Roe v. Wade overturned are a pretty significant bloc and it's like a single issue for many of them.

The battlefield for LGBT rights under whatever judge Trump appoints are going to be "religious freedom" laws that allow people to discriminate against others on the basis of orientation. Not allowing gays in your restaurant, or whatever.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

this is the problem with the left
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...it+RSS+Feed%29

How on Earth is this a problem?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The pro-life thing on the other hand, the people who want Roe v. Wade overturned are a pretty significant bloc and it's like a single issue for many of them.

I remember hearing or reading somewhere (possibly elsewhere on CP) that he, as the President, won't be able to overturn Roe v. Wade unless there is some "incredibly significant" new information to that case. He'd have to find some new caselaw to supersede RvW, as you can't go back and change old rulings unless you have new info that changes the outcome. You would need a new case/ruling to supersede RvW.

I admit, I'm not lawyer, esp not with U.S. law...but that kind of makes sense, you can't just go back and change the ruling at a later date if you don't like it. You'd need to find some other way, edge or angle in, and argue it should be the new metric.

[photon]

I'm trying to find an article that had lots of detail I read but I can't remember even where I read it. This one has the general gist of it though.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyashap.../#bfeb61145110

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by driveway

How on Earth is this a problem?

The whole article verges on the hysterical. The notion that Obama will dedicate himself to leading the opposition to Trump is daffy. That's not what former Presidents of the United States do.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Let's not get carried away with the left stuff. He still says he'll build a wall, deport or imprison 3 million illegal immigrants, and appoint supreme court justices who are pro-life and who will defend the 2nd ammendment. Can't see any but his most unhinged supporters being disappointed with that agenda.

All of these issues are ridiculous if you actually expend any energy thinking critically about them.

The wall idea is just plain stupid. Logistically, it's impossible. Metaphorically it solves nothing. The wall already exists in quite a few places along the border and it does nothing to stop the flow of people or illegal substances across the line.

The deportation and imprisonment angle is kind of silly as well. This is exactly what is going on using the law enforcement mechanism right now, so how are you going to step it up? More police? There are already too many cops down here that trip over each other and can't figure out jurisdiction. Also, when you do catch these illegals, then what? He's going to imprison them? Do you know what imprisoning 3 million people would look like? That would require increasing the number of prisons in this country by 150%! Even if you are hot-cotting them that is still going to require a massive number of prisons to be built while these people are provided due process. Frankly, the illegal issue is no where near as bad as is presented in the mass media, and no where near as bad as Trump made it sound on the campaign trail. This component of his platform is just red meat for those looking to place the blame of their condition on others.

The pro-life thing is a little inaccurate. According to Gallup, the majority of Americans, 50-44%, are pro-choice. There is strong belief (81%) in stronger restrictions on when and how those procedures can/should be done, but that should be a medical decision between a woman and her doctor, not the government and the court. If the right wants to ban abortion, then they need to step up and support Planned Parenthood, support increased welfare, support increased education spending, and so on, because you can't force someone to bring a child to term and then care for that child without the support mechanisms to help them do so. Abortion is a very complex issue that can't be distilled into a simple yes/no stance.

The 2nd amendment does not require protection, because it is not under attack. Gun ownership in the United States as never been higher. Access to guns is still pretty easy. No one is doing anything to remove specific weapons from shelves or restrict the access to weapons, so long as you prove yourself to be a responsible and sane person. When someone can walk into a gun store and walk out with an AR-15/10, in less than 5 minutes, it tells you just how lax the gun laws are, the lack of restrictions on access to weapons, and how simple the system is buying one. Seriously, you can buy a Barrett 50mm rifle in most shops, so long as you have the $8,500 on hand. Why would anyone need a 50mm weapon? The 2nd amendment is just fine and does not require any further protections.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

well the immigration policy needs to be solved somehow. The line is way too long. Is it because the illegals are clogging up spaces? Not sure.

Currently for family sponsor, parents are 5-6 years, siblings are over 14 years! Every country needs young immigrants not people waiting for 14 years. Would sending criminals who are illegals home and then working on absorbing the other illegals make the line better.

This is something that has stalled for years
in 2007 Bush tried to pass a new law but it was defeated.
Last year Obama tried to protect the illegal immigrants but the supreme court tied 4-4

The immigration system is broken. But I think the problem is not that the system is over-burdened, I think that it is poorly designed. If they could compliment the immigration system with a proper work visa program, then the illegal issue would dry up pretty quickly. They also need to find an express lane for those who have ties to the United States, and lift the restriction of not entering until your sponsor has proof of sustainability. Forcing families to live apart for 6-18 months is a big reason why people over-stay and become illegals. Lift that provision and provide work visas that require an individual to renew in person every year and the problem becomes manageable. That is based on my experience of working through the system and hearing the same stories from others in the system at the same time as myself.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

All of these issues are ridiculous if you actually expend any energy thinking critically about them.

You misunderstood the point of my post. Others in the thread were saying that Trump supporters would be pissed off after watching the 60 Minutes interview, that it sounded like he'll be moving too far left. I disagree. In that interview Trump, while conciliatory in tone, still talks about doing most of the stuff he said he'd to while campaigning. Whether it's desirable or practical to do those things is beside the point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You misunderstood the point of my post. Others in the thread were saying that Trump supporters would be pissed off after watching the 60 Minutes interview, that it sounded like he'll be moving too far left. I disagree. In that interview Trump, while conciliatory in tone, still talks about doing most of the stuff he said he'd to while campaigning. Whether it's desirable or practical to do those things is beside the point.

Thank so for the clarification. I have no idea where Trump is going, and neither does his own people/supporters. This is what is most worrisome about him IMO. No one clearly knows what he really stands for.