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Young_Guns · 11-13-2016, 02:33 PM

I honestly don't think it had to do with money. If it had that much to do with money, the Flames would have an internal budget and not be near the cap and would also be cheaping out with player salaries as well.

Strange Brew · 11-13-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Treliving signed Brouwer and Frolik to over $8 million a season which are moves in free agency you expect of a team attempting to make the playoffs. However he hired a head coach that doesn't have a track record of team building or making the playoffs. Seems like a really big leap of faith and one that has blown up in his face. I hate to say this but Carlyle would have been better as at least he has won a cup and has faced a lot of adversity. Right now you can tell Gulutzan has no answer for what's going on right now and it's snowballing on him. It's anyone's guess when they will win a game again as it's probably going to take an opponent that has an incredibly bad night given the Flames level of compete right now.

Can't believe I am going to defend the Frolik and Brower signings because I agree with you in late part. Problem is, this team still doesn't have any organizational depth on the wing so although these guys were overpaid, there weren't many options. That said, this management team has not proven adept at value FA signings or even waiver wire pickups.

locsofblu · 11-13-2016, 05:37 PM

Granlund playing pretty good hockey for the Nucks. Shinkuruk looking invinsible. Not like it's the end all of trades but Treliving seriously lacks the hockey knowledge to make us a competetive team. Im thinking his departure is inevitable at this point.

JiriHrdina · 11-13-2016, 05:46 PM

How about we give it a little more than 20 games or whatever before declaring a winner in that deal. Geez.

locsofblu · 11-13-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How about we give it a little more than 20 games or whatever before declaring a winner in that deal. Geez.

When we made the trade I knew it was a mistake. Granlund will atleast be a servicable top 9 forward in the NHL. Shinkuruk is just AHL fodder imo. Treliving must be the most over rated GM in Flames history(not the worst)

hockey.modern · 11-13-2016, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

When we made the trade I knew it was a mistake. Granlund will atleast be a servicable top 9 forward in the NHL. Shinkuruk is just AHL fodder imo. Treliving must be the most over rated GM in Flames history(not the worst)

Shinkaruk has played 11 NHL games, relax.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-13-2016, 05:54 PM

Grandlund always looks good initially for a stretch. Every call-up for the Flames he was awesome for 5-6 games. Granlund is a year and a half older and has played 100 more NHL games then Hunter, this debate is far from over and I've never been a huge fan of either guy.

flames_fan13 · 11-13-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

When we made the trade I knew it was a mistake. Granlund will atleast be a servicable top 9 forward in the NHL. Shinkuruk is just AHL fodder imo. Treliving must be the most over rated GM in Flames history(not the worst)

Granlund wouldn't fit anywhere on this team. He's not going to replace Monahan, Bennett or Backlund down the middle.

locsofblu · 11-13-2016, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Shinkaruk has played 11 NHL games, relax.

In no way does it set our franchise back. It's just an opinion of mine.

thymebalm · 11-13-2016, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

In no way does it set our franchise back. It's just an opinion of mine.

Yea I feel the same. Granlund looked like he was going to be fine in the NHL and we traded him for an AHL scorer. Weak return. But small scale trades.

The Fonz · 11-13-2016, 06:09 PM

I thought Shinkaruk looked great against the Rangers. I also thought he played well last season.

Once that guy gets a long stretch of games, I think he'll fit in well. See Kulak.

Tinordi · 11-13-2016, 06:13 PM

Did Granlund score a goal or something today? Who cares about Granlund or is this thread just a designated sanctum for whiners?

JiriHrdina · 11-13-2016, 06:14 PM

The problem with both the players is they look great at times, and then are invisible for long stretches.
At the end of last season, many fans were thinking the Flames stole Shinky away. Now Canuck fans are falling over themselves on the apparent thievery of Granlund.
Time will tell, but based on both players' inability to play well for long stretches, I suspect this will end up being a nothing trade for both sides.

Barca · 11-13-2016, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The problem with both the players is they look great at times, and then are invisible for long stretches.
At the end of last season, many fans were thinking the Flames stole Shinky away. Now Canuck fans are falling over themselves on the apparent thievery of Granlund.
Time will tell, but based on both players' inability to play well for long stretches, I suspect this will end up being a nothing trade for both sides.

I don't think thievery was committed but the Canucks got the better player imo.

Beartchi for a 2nd was the supposed thievery because Sven was suppose to be a bust.

both has looked great for the Canucks early in the season. their points don't do justice for their play.

JiriHrdina · 11-13-2016, 06:27 PM

5 points so far this season for Sven.
Don't really care how great he looks. That's who he is.
Which is nothing.

smiggy77 · 11-13-2016, 06:31 PM

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i think they went for the cheap hire, BB gets paid quite well if i recall. i think that has something to do with it

Source please.

smiggy77 · 11-13-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by locsofblu

In no way does it set our franchise back. It's just an opinion of mine.

Your sample size on judgement is 11 games when it takes time to develop into an effective NHLer and his role. Your judgement on the player and writing of the trade as a loss is far too premature.

greentree · 11-13-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

I don't think thievery was committed but the Canucks got the better player imo.

Beartchi for a 2nd was the supposed thievery because Sven was suppose to be a bust.

both has looked great for the Canucks early in the season. their points don't do justice for their play.

Sven has been awful.

locsofblu · 11-13-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smiggy77

Your sample size on judgement is 11 games when it takes time to develop into an effective NHLer and your role. Your judgement on the player and writing of the trade as a loss is far too premature.

Absolutely he has time to develop. I just don't think he will.

activeStick · 11-13-2016, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

That is ridiculous. Every GM gets credit or criticism for every pick made by this simple metric: Could he have reasonably done better in the position that a player is picked? The answer to this question with regards to Tkachuk and Bennett is a pretty emphatic "no."

What I notice is, people change their tone based on their argument. Sutter drafts poorly? It's button and the scouting team that makes the picks. Pick a good player? Great job by the GM.

Is it the scouting staff or the GM?

Answer is probably both....