Coaching Changes?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Well what's your job? I bet you it's not legitimately comparable to being an NHL player in any way whatsoever.

Point was everyone is trying to blame the coaching staff here and the players need to share equal accountability.

2 consecutive years with the same results.

[Corral]

Whoever's decision it was to fire Hartley is the person who should be held accountable the mess the team finds itself in now. I won't say for sure it is Treliving because I think the Flames have several cooks in the kitchen. But if there are players who influenced that decision, I would send those players out the door as well because they are no doubt a poison in the room.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Point was everyone is trying to blame the coaching staff here and the players need to share equal accountability.

2 consecutive years with the same results.

The record may be the same, but the results and way they've found themselves here has been much different.

2015/16, after 15GP:
5on5 GF - 31
5on5 GA - 45
PP - 16.7%
PK - 76.1%

2016/17, after 15GP:
5on5 GF - 30
5on5 GA - 31
PP - 8.0%
PK - 72.1%

This team has been much better at even strength this season, but the special teams have taken a nose-dive.

I'll ask again; how long does Gulutzan take heat for Cameron's disgraceful special teams?

[Racki]

What's Adam Oates doing these days? Wasn't he thought of as a PP specialist?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Point was everyone is trying to blame the coaching staff here and the players need to share equal accountability.

2 consecutive years with the same results.

Agreed. And maybe some blame goes to the guys that assembled the team and thought a coaching change was necessary.

[The Fonz]

nvm

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Point was everyone is trying to blame the coaching staff here and the players need to share equal accountability.

2 consecutive years with the same results.

The same results in year 3 of the rebuild >>>> the same results in year 4 of the rebuild.

There are still 66 games left. Too early to say the results this season are the same. Visually, the team has been worse though, even with roster changes that made the team better on paper and year further into the rebuild. Anything but a 10-15 point increase this season is worse when you put things in context.

Considering last year we went 2-7-1 in the fist 10, and then 0.500 for the final 72 games, so far I think the teaming is trending down. They played like a 0.500 team for most of last season, which was reasonable considering what year of the rebuild they were in. The only thing that made it look bad was the over achievement they had the year before.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The same results in year 3 of the rebuild >>>> the same results in year 4 of the rebuild.

There are still 66 games left. Too early to say the results this season are the same. Visually, the team has been worse though, even with roster changes that made the team better on paper and year further into the rebuild. Anything but a 10-15 point increase this season is worse when you put things in context.

Considering last year we went 2-7-1 in the fist 10, and then 0.500 for the final 72 games, so far I think the teaming is trending down. They played like a 0.500 team for most of last season, which was reasonable considering what year of the rebuild they were in. The only thing that made it look bad was the over achievement they had the year before.

I would say other than the power play the team actually looks better structured out there, less flashy but better structure. Just the same old defensive breakdowns, an abysmal power play an a bit of lack of compete at times which is on the coaches and the players.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Bologna, if I suck at my job that doesn't mean my boss is bad it means I need to pull my Frickin socks up.



Why is there no accountability for the players?



I find a way to be good at my job regardless the system or 'identity' that is built around me. That's a BS excuse.



Sure GG and BT should have to answer to why the team is in the bottom of the standings but players need some accountability as well.



'Identity'... JC, if these guys get paid 6 million dollars a year and they suck because of identity sounds like they are overpaid.



How bout the players show some work ethic and help to build this 'identity'.

Well what if you were great at your job, last year and the year before. One of the best in your field. Then this year all the upper management was changed and they changed policy and protocol so that you can't do your job as effectively. You are no longer one of the best in your field. You don't think management should be blamed for that?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Well what if you were great at your job, last year and the year before. One of the best in your field. Then this year all the upper management was changed and they changed policy and protocol so that you can't do your job as effectively. You are no longer one of the best in your field. You don't think management should be blamed for that?

I sure do think blame has to go to coaching staff and management. I also think some of the blame is on the players.

Not all the players are regressing this year. Probably half have taken a step forward and half a step back. When I see Monahan just standing around waiting for something to happen and I see Backlund making things happen what system is telling Monahan to just aimlessly wander around? The same system that is telling Backlund to go get the puck spot the guy that open and get his ### back when the puck goes the other way.

There's blame to go everywhere right now.

[Gaskal]

Gulutzan has shown 0 ability to motivate and 0 leadership. He is what he is, a very good strategizing assistant coach that flounders in a head role.

Now... his system works, we've seen proof of it vs Chicago and STL, but what happened prior to those games? Gio had to hold a players-only closed door meeting because of course, Glen doesn't know jack #### about motivating a team and getting them mentally prepared to play.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I would say other than the power play the team actually looks better structured out there, less flashy but better structure. Just the same old defensive breakdowns, an abysmal power play an a bit of lack of compete at times which is on the coaches and the players.

I guess we will need to disagree then. I see a team with no identity or structure. They just try their best to tread water 5 on 5, then fail hard on special teams.

The only reason why we are so far on the same pace as last season is because of the slightly better goaltending and the addition of Brouwer.

[robbie111]

Defensive zone systems are atrocious, way worse than Hartleys and I never thought I'd say that.

[Lil Pedro]

Can't wait for Cameron and Gulutzan to be gone; both have failed miserably

[Alpine Fisher]

This reminds of the movie D3 When Coach Bombay went back into Law and the Mighty Ducks Core team moved up to college and got a new coach.
They completely tuned him out, and the new systems that were implemented were suffocating. Lots of growing pains with that team.

[puckedoff]

This game is first game where I am starting to agree with the replace the coaching staff train of thought. Team has 0 confidence and 0 idea what to do when they have the puck, let alone the fire drill that occurs when they don't have it.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess we will need to disagree then. I see a team with no identity or structure. They just try their best to tread water 5 on 5, then fail hard on special teams.

The only reason why we are so far on the same pace as last season is because of the slightly better goaltending and the addition of Brouwer.

Yes tonight your absolutely right. Granted this is about as bad as its looked all season.

[C_of_Red28]

Just breath... it's early.. New Coach. New System. New Goalies.. No training camp for our top line.. Trust me I'm frustrated and want to see some wins.. but give the boys some breaks..

All I wish is that we can find someone to play on our top line with Gaudreau and Monahan.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

This game is first game where I am starting to agree with the replace the coaching staff train of thought. Team has 0 confidence and 0 idea what to do when they have the puck, let alone the fire drill that occurs when they don't have it.

Imagine you got a new boss and things start going poorly for your group. While the guy may know concepts to execution, he has no ability to motivate or portray an image of confidence. The guy while being hired into a senior position similar to what he worked 4-5 years ago has never actually done what your team is endeavouring to do or has really ever been successful in any of his previous roles. Now somehow you have to gain confidence and trust his nonsense without him motivating you or you having any history to go off of.

GG is way over his head with this team. When the Hawks wanted to take the next step, they brought in Q, when LA wanted to take the next step they brought in Darryl. Instead we get this proven loser.

[4X4]

This interview is on mute, but just watching GG grin and schmooze is pissing me off.