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Old 11-09-2016, 11:30 PM   #801
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I think part of it is that Asian cultures (broadly speaking) adhere more to the philosophy of "the nail that stands out gets pounded down" rather than "the squeaky wheel gets the grease," and generally are very concerned about communal interests. As a result, they blend in. So much so, in fact, that other minority groups sometimes lump them in with white people when discussing racially charged matters, i.e., the issue doesn't apply to them.

But don't think you're sitting so pretty that this government might not knock on your door and take your driver's licence away. They know the menace y'all pose to honest white American commuters

As for black folks, they were screwed to begin with, screwed throughout history, and are screwed now. Their screwedness is not only ingrained in American institutions but in American culture. And yes, Trump has said disparaging things about them. Five minutes with Google will establish this for you. And even if he hadn't, the policies the Republican party espouses clearly further the institutional and cultural barriers black people face in the States. They'll just continue to be drugged, locked up, and disenfranchised as they have been for decades.

yeah that's all true. But blacks voted for Obama in droves, did anything change? If not, is this absolutely unsolvable forever?

As for the philosophy you mentioned is very true. So as I said before, Asians are caught. Lumped with whites but not really, lumped with minorities but not really.
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I'm watching KTLA live (online feed). Showing live coverage of a mini riot in downtown LA. Hundreds of people blocking the 101 freeway and cars and cops stuck in it and surrounded
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Live stream: http://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/

Looks kinda crowded down there.

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yeah that's all true. But blacks voted for Obama in droves, did anything change? If not, is this absolutely unsolvable forever?

As for the philosophy you mentioned is very true. So as I said before, Asians are caught. Lumped with whites but not really, lumped with minorities but not really.
It is unsolvable much in the same way that Canada's residential school legacy is unsolvable. There is no quick fix. The damage is pan-generational and ultimately culturally ingrained. Seismic and deliberate systemic changes need to be made to resolve the situation, and they will not bear fruit for generations if they can be made to work at all.

The best that can be done is to take measures to equalize opportunity and hope the rest takes care of itself. Either way, a long process with lots of suffering yet to be endured.
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From this video: "Would anyone tolerate a sport where there was a chance that the loser would win 7% of time?"

Ahem. This is Calgary Puck. The sport is hockey, and the loser that wrongfully won was the Tampa Bay Lightning because: IT WAS IN!
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It is unsolvable much in the same way that Canada's residential school legacy is unsolvable. There is no quick fix. The damage is pan-generational and ultimately culturally ingrained. Seismic and deliberate systemic changes need to be made to resolve the situation, and they will not bear fruit for generations if they can be made to work at all.

The best that can be done is to take measures to equalize opportunity and hope the rest takes care of itself. Either way, a long process with lots of suffering yet to be endured.

hmmmm are there leaders in the community today? Are guys like jesse jackson and al sharpton good or bad? What in place now to help, are there scholorships, are there quotas to colleges? Admittedly blacks in america is a topic im very poor at. Need to read up more now that the election is over.
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wasn't the electoral college created so that the big cities wouldn't have too much influence (similar to each state sending 2 senators regardless of size)

that's exactly what happened yesterday. So it worked.
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hmmmm are there leaders in the community today? Are guys like jesse jackson and al sharpton good or bad? What in place now to help, are there scholorships, are there quotas to colleges? Admittedly blacks in america is a topic im very poor at. Need to read up more now that the election is over.
Me too. I don't know the answers to any of those questions. I'm willing to bet though, that nothing will be getting better for them in the next 4 years.
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wasn't the electoral college created so that the big cities wouldn't have too much influence (similar to each state sending 2 senators regardless of size)
That's the second reason, to balance power for the smaller states.

The first reason the electoral college was created because the founders thought the people weren't to be trusted with electing the President! They were concerned that a tyrant would manipulate public opinion and be elected President.

Which could end up being hilarious depending on how Trump turns out.

Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.

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That's the second reason, to balance power for the smaller states.

The first reason the electoral college was created because the founders thought the people weren't to be trusted with electing the President! They were concerned that a tyrant would manipulate public opinion and be elected President.

Which could end up being hilarious depending on how Trump turns out.

Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.

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Next, on a very special episode of Founding Fathers 1776. Franklin and Madison are informed that their carefully crafted system is totally ####ed up. They tell Hamilton who spirals into Meth addiction.
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Don't know if this has been posted yet, but wow does the county-by-county electoral map ever make the urban vs. rural division even more starkly apparent.
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So this is a bit old, but since Trump won this is everything he said he would do between June 2015 and January 2016. Sometimes ridiculous, sometimes hilarious, sometimes illegal, on a few occasions good even.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...8224&tid=ss_tw
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The majority do support it in America but I find it extremely troubling 37% are against gay marriage in the U.S.A.

Numbers have improved dramatically from 10 years ago but that number is staggering.
The change of opinion on gay marriage is one of the most rapid social transformations in history. Anywhere. Did you honestly expect something rooted in upbringing, values, and religion would be completely abandoned in three or four years?

A great many people do not change their beliefs significantly after they're about 30 or 35 years old. That's true even in a liberal society like today's West. I expect the opposition to gay marriage will decline more slowly at this point, as it becomes a matter of those who are 65+ dying off over 20 years. You also have to consider the effect of immigration from countries that oppose homosexuality (which is pretty much everywhere outside the West).
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Hell, white people in America are sometimes racist if you're not the right kind of white, as in how they treated Irish immigrants in the past, etc.
People everywhere demonstrate bigotry towards different ethnic, cultural, or language groups and look down on them. In every corner of earth. Since the dawn of civilisation. In India they have their caste system. In China people from some regions look down on others. In South African today, mobs rampage through immigrant camps, killing the foreigners. Racism is not a peculiarly white or Western thing - it's a human thing.
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You can't seriously be this oblivious, can you? Voter suppression, imprisonment, poverty, police brutality, racism, etc., all effect certain blocks of people more than others. It's not hard to then see why said blocks of people would vote against the party that is actively perpetuating these problems.
Most black Americans vote Democrat.
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I think Asians have earned that pass. We try our best to assimilate. We didn't suddenly become well educated, we worked hard.
Perhaps I'm just cheerleading and I am wrong in thinking others an earn it too.

African-Americans have been suppressed forever and it's wrong. But I haven't heard Trump say disparaging things about them unless I'm mistaken.
North America was historically difficult to get into. When Canada and the U.S. opened their doors to Asians and other Europeans, they were very selective. They picked people that were either willing to be the bottom wrung (indentured labour) or those that had means (money or skills).

We don't really need to explain how most African Americans came to North America. Their plight is well known. Having said that, African immigrants tend to fair better as well for the same reasons mentioned above.

With Latinos, it was very easy for them to enter and the process wasn't selective. Therefore, you pretty much got representation from all segments of society, including those negative side effects of poverty.
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wasn't the electoral college created so that the big cities wouldn't have too much influence (similar to each state sending 2 senators regardless of size)

that's exactly what happened yesterday. So it worked.
I don't think that's the reason, since they are awarded for the state as a whole based on the overall vote, not on a riding by riding basis like in Canada. Otherwise you see states' electoral college votes split between Dem and Rep.
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I think immigration wise asians and muslims historically have the most similar paths. Labour, refugees or well off.
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So this is a bit old, but since Trump won this is everything he said he would do between June 2015 and January 2016. Sometimes ridiculous, sometimes hilarious, sometimes illegal, on a few occasions good even.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...8224&tid=ss_tw
Speaking of illegal, the ALCU received about a million dollars in donations within 24 hours of the election. A record for them. And they have already signaled they are going to fight every thing Trump attempts that even hints at being unconstitutional.


As far as the protests/riots go - Trump ran a campaign based on division. This is the expected outcome, frankly.
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I think immigration wise asians and muslims historically have the most similar paths. Labour, refugees or well off.
It's also worth mentioning that in Canada, and especially on the west coast, many Indo-Canadians came over as British subjects (some even before Confederation) and benefited from being citizens of the British Empire from day 1. I'm not sure what percentage of Indo-Canadians are currently descendants from that original immigration wave, but it did certainly help them set up communities and safety nets for future Indian immigrants.
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