PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[calgaryblood]

When he says this stuff about his daughter imagine what he thinks of other women. He thinks women are objects.

"Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . ”

[RyZ]

[metallicat]

My point was that as someone in a minority group, you should at least be able to somewhat see what is going on and identify that it is happening. Are you seriously saying you do not see minority groups being singled out by people like the police, or in this case, the god damn President of the USA? You don't have to be a part of the actual group to see it happening.

I think you're just playing the devils advocate to drum up conversation.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

When he says this stuff about his daughter imagine what he thinks of other women. He thinks women are objects.

"Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . ”

Is this supposed to be news? I'm not sure why this is being rehashed over and over. The guy is a dick, everyone knows it. His opponents know it, his supporters know it.

[Frequitude]

GGG is definitely winning the race through the 5 stages of grief.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's a good point.

I might be oblivious because I'm caught in the middle I think. I'm Asian! So where do Asian-American fall in this paradigm? I don't believe the issues you mentioned voter suppression, imprisonment, poverty, police brutality, racism really affect Asian-Americans as much as the other groups. So what would be the reason for that. Are we pretty much white? I don't think I heard Asian-Americans mentioned once in this election.

I think the reason we use the term minorities is because even though a bunch of these issues are primarily issues for African-Americans, there are also issues that are primarily Latino or Muslim-centric but they're based on similar criteria. I think Asian-Americans are largely off the radar for many of these issues for any number of reasons.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I wish one day minorities wouldn't be mentioned as minorities and there will be no 'voting blocks'. People vote as people and look at the issues that affect them.

People are shocked (and some appalled) why white women wouldn't vote for a white woman. That's not correct either.

I wish people would be treated as people and not treated as blocks of people because they're a minority too. The only way someone alive now will live to see either of our wishes is if they can put my brain in a robot body or upload me to the Internet.

As far as white women not voting for a white woman, it's less about her being a woman and more about the message electing Trump sends to all women.

[rubecube]

I owe Girly an apology. My original response was way harsher than it should have been.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

People are shocked (and some appalled) why white women wouldn't vote for a white woman. That's not correct either.

Where has this been mentioned or are you reverse misinterpreting the numbers?

I've heard people being shocked and appalled that women would vote for a man mysoginistic in nature that boasts about sexual assault but that doesn't necessarily correlate into what you are claiming.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I owe Girly an apology. My original response was way harsher than it should have been.

it wasn't harsh at all. It's all up for discussion.

I am right on the racist line (by liberal definition). I'm going to summarize my thoughts which I think will get me in a lot of trouble.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I might be oblivious because I'm caught in the middle I think. I'm Asian! So where do Asian-American fall in this paradigm? I don't believe the issues you mentioned voter suppression, imprisonment, poverty, police brutality, racism really affect Asian-Americans as much as the other groups. So what would be the reason for that. Are we pretty much white? I don't think I heard Asian-Americans mentioned once in this election.

With respect to the election related stuff I think it's probably mostly because
a) Asian-Americans make up a relatively small portion of the population. Like 1/10 Latinos. So focusing on voter suppression of specifically Asian Americans wouldn't be a very effective move (other than general suppression of minorities)
b) Asian-Americans are very much focused in big cities, which are very often strongly Democratic, so again they pretty much know how the vote is going to go so no reason to get a lot of attention.

Which incidentally the Asian-American National Election Eve Poll concluded that 75% of Asian Americans voted for Clinton, while only 19% voted for Donald Trump.

So in terms of being a block, it'd be interesting to see if Asian Americans voted differently than the general population for the counties they live in. If they did, by definition they're a block.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Reading through Trump's platform, it becomes increasingly apparent that America is in for a very long and regressive four years.

Protect innocent human life from conception to natural death, including the most defenseless and those Americans with disabilities

I hate to think what that sentence can mean with regards to Roe v. Wade. The fact that while many other nations are looking towards physician assisted suicide America may be going in the opposite direction.

[photon]

Hey the death penalty won big last night though!

One thing that did suddenly disappear from Trump's platform on his website was his statement about a ban on Muslims.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

The majority do support it in America but I find it extremely troubling 37% are against gay marriage in the U.S.A.

Numbers have improved dramatically from 10 years ago but that number is staggering.

I find it troubling as well, but I imagine a big part of that 37% is for religious reasons, which is still ridiculous but at least it's not because of intentional homophobia. I'll take ignorance over hate any day.

And on that note, 63% support it. There's still work to be done but even in the last 5 years I've noticed a huge change in society. Using gay as an insult 5 years ago wouldn't have been nearly as big a deal as it is today. Slow progress is better than no progress.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

My point was that as someone in a minority group, you should at least be able to somewhat see what is going on and identify that it is happening. Are you seriously saying you do not see minority groups being singled out by people like the police, or in this case, the god damn President of the USA? You don't have to be a part of the actual group to see it happening.

I think you're just playing the devils advocate to drum up conversation.

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think the reason we use the term minorities is because even though a bunch of these issues are primarily issues for African-Americans, there are also issues that are primarily Latino or Muslim-centric but they're based on similar criteria. I think Asian-Americans are largely off the radar for many of these issues for any number of reasons.

I think this is important. What are those reasons?

Why are only some minority groups being singled out? How do they differ from other minority groups?

I think Asians assimilate well into Western society. I know that sounds condescending but I'm proud of that. The other groups can sometimes be a problem and immigration is a problematic issue for all countries , it's not racist to say that we are all concerned about it.

As for the election, i don't like it when minorities are used as pawns. These are difficult issues that eventually have to be solved by both sides. The government and the ethnic groups themselves.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I find it troubling as well, but I imagine a big part of that 37% is for religious reasons, which is still ridiculous but at least it's not because of intentional homophobia. I'll take ignorance over hate any day.

And on that note, 63% support it. There's still work to be done but even in the last 5 years I've noticed a huge change in society. Using gay as an insult 5 years ago wouldn't have been nearly as big a deal as it is today. Slow progress is better than no progress.

Only 55% support it and I don't think religion is ignorance because being ignorant would mean they don't know better. Hate is hate regardless of how they get there IMO.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Reading through Trump's platform, it becomes increasingly apparent that America is in for a very long and regressive four years.

I hate to think what that sentence can mean with regards to Roe v. Wade. The fact that while many other nations are looking towards physician assisted suicide America may be going in the opposite direction.

While I'm still pretty well horrified at everything that happened last night (and more and more waves of the repercussions keep hitting me), I got some reassurance today with regards to Roe v Wade. A president cannot just change an old SCOTUS decision, a large case, with new facts and evidence, would have to come before the SCOTUS, and they would have to explain what it was about that case that would supercede the old cases.

It doesn't stop states from furthering their anti-choice platforms to make abortions harder (or impossible) to obtain, and it doesn't stop the GOP from entirely defunding Planned Parenthood (leaving millions of women in this country without adequate healthcare)--but neither the GOP nor Trump can reverse Roe v Wade.

I'm still just trying to find whatever silver linings I can grasp onto.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Reading through Trump's platform, it becomes increasingly apparent that America is in for a very long and regressive four years.

With Trump we never know, one author that's written on and spent extensive time with him said it's impossible to know what Trump is going to do next because Trump doesn't even know what Trump is going to do next.

It's like playing Dungeons and Dragons.. we could get some lucky dice rolls and come out of things with some wounds and a cursed blade stuck to our hand for the next 20 years, or we could roll 3d20 for 3 critical misses and the world ends up eaten by a grue. (Apologies for the mixed references)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I find it troubling as well, but I imagine a big part of that 37% is for religious reasons, which is still ridiculous but at least it's not because of intentional homophobia. I'll take ignorance over hate any day.

And on that note, 63% support it. There's still work to be done but even in the last 5 years I've noticed a huge change in society. Using gay as an insult 5 years ago wouldn't have been nearly as big a deal as it is today. Slow progress is better than no progress.

There was a poll last year that stated that 25% (IIRC) of Canadians were still opposed to gay marriage.

We are a bit further ahead, but not a lot.

[GirlySports]

in China it's two polar opposites. 100% against gay marriage but abortions are commonplace. Obviously not religion driven, it's actual hate.