11-09-2016, 10:49 AM
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Girlysports has been an amazing windsock for media portrayal during this election cycle.
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11-09-2016, 10:50 AM
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#322
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Originally Posted by Azure
Sanders had more support from minorities than Clinton did. The only reason Clinton won the primaries is because she got support from the white male crowd. And because the media was stupid.
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No he didn't. And he didn't have more support from women either. If he did he would have won the nomination. And actually he won white male support the most. So this is a ####ing bizarro post.
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11-09-2016, 10:54 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I am thinking she must mean that Muslim immigration is a political issue, which it is. It's an issue because of other problems (racism, foreign conflicts, terrorism, etc..).
Unfortunately, many people can't look past the surface to dig deeper.
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11-09-2016, 10:55 AM
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#324
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The thing I find funny is that more moderate conservatives who admit that Trump was a terrible candidate and still supported him, seemed at least love having a candidate hated so much by Democrats and liberals. It was almost like have a candidate the other side loathes was just as important (or more important) than having one you liked.
It's like the internet "trolling culture" working its way into the fabric of ordinary life.
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100%. People were tired of being told how to vote by mainstream media, celebrities, and the powers that be.
Other than Hillary and the DNC, no one comes out of this looking worse than the media. They are all hacks and should be fired into oblivion. The truth and journalistic integrity took a beating this cycle. People got tired of being lied to.
This looks great on them.
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11-09-2016, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
No he didn't. And he didn't have more support from women either. If he did he would have won the nomination. And actually he won white male support the most. So this is a ####ing bizarro post.
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No kidding. Bernie was a no-hoper who is given some sort of a saintly aura by the naive left - he had no chance to beat Clinton, and he had no chance to win a general election. He is not as bad as Corbyn in the UK, but he is heading there.
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11-09-2016, 10:57 AM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
No kidding. Bernie was a no-hoper who is given some sort of a saintly aura by the naive left - he had no chance to beat Clinton, and he had no chance to win a general election. He is not as bad as Corbyn in the UK, but he is heading there.
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He was not seen as a 'politician' which is why many think he would have done better against Trump than Clinton did.
I was wrong on saying he had more minority support.
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11-09-2016, 10:59 AM
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Bernie has been in politics longer than Clinton has been. Wouldn't have taken much to show he was a "politician". The Bernie revisionism is predictable, but if he couldn't beat the worst candidate in modern history in the primaries, it stands a good chance he wasn't going to beat Trump either. I don't see how Bernie increases the AA turnout which the Dems needed last night. The right was more united than the left too which was unexpected. Most of the #NeverTrumpers came home.
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11-09-2016, 10:59 AM
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Had an idea!
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Also in other news, the 6th largest economy in the world voted for full legalization of marijuana. People in California can legally use today if they are of age, but obviously there won't be many storefront sellers.
Retail sales are set to begin Jan 1, 2018.
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11-09-2016, 11:00 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
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I wish it was possible that the moderate democrats and moderate republicans would form a new party and leave the old parties with Bernie supporters and Donald and the Tea Party.
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11-09-2016, 11:02 AM
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#330
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Originally Posted by Igottago
Proof that the Trump phenomenon isn't explicitly an American problem.
You should really get off the internet and go out into the world and get to know some real people. You're in need of an education.
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That isn't a rebuttal to an actual point. There's tons of cases of Muslim immigrants causing problems right now in Germany and Sweden, among others.
The funny thing is that the leftist SJW's that get most triggered when this is brought up, should be the ones paying attention because the rights of minority groups like the LGBT community are what's being threatened here.
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11-09-2016, 11:02 AM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Bernie has been in politics longer than Clinton has been. Wouldn't have taken much to show he was a "politician". The Bernie revisionism is predictable, but if he couldn't beat the worst candidate in modern history in the primaries, it stands a good chance he wasn't going to beat Trump either. I don't see how Bernie increases the AA turnout which the Dems needed last night. The right was more united than the left too which was unexpected. Most of the #NeverTrumpers came home.
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Sanders was competing against a stacked deck for starters. Obviously he could have done horrible against Trump in the election given that we all thought Clinton would run away with it, but there was a lot of talk that he was a better candidate in the areas where the Democrats needed to be strong.
Flash mentioned union support. Something the Clintons have not been very strong with.
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11-09-2016, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Red John
That isn't a rebuttal to an actual point. There's tons of cases of Muslim immigrants causing problems right now in Germany and Sweden, among others.
The funny thing is that the leftist SJW's that get most triggered when this is brought up, should be the ones paying attention because the rights of minority groups like the LGBT community are what's being threatened here.
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And there's tones of cases of muslim immigrants coming to western countries and contributing to society and being wonderful citizens and people.
If you're going to make a blanket statement be prepared to defend it, or learn to articulate yourself intelligently.
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11-09-2016, 11:06 AM
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#333
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I wish it was possible that the moderate democrats and moderate republicans would form a new party and leave the old parties with Bernie supporters and Donald and the Tea Party.
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Trump isn't ideologically lined up with the tea party. Not even close. He is a Democrat.
The truth is, both parties have shifted quite far left this cycle.
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11-09-2016, 11:08 AM
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#334
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Originally Posted by Red John
Trump isn't ideologically lined up with the tea party. Not even close. He is a Democrat.
The truth is, both parties have shifted quite far left this cycle.
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Which is why defense, bank, and pharma stocks are all up this morning, because they assume the country is going more left...
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11-09-2016, 11:09 AM
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#335
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Originally Posted by Red John
100%. People were tired of being told how to vote by mainstream media, celebrities, and the powers that be.
Other than Hillary and the DNC, no one comes out of this looking worse than the media. They are all hacks and should be fired into oblivion. The truth and journalistic integrity took a beating this cycle. People got tired of being lied to.
This looks great on them.
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I agree with a lot of this. People are tired of being lied to. That doesn't mean you pick the media celebrity billionaire power broker candidate who has lied more than any other candidate in history. That's like being tired of people vandalizing your home with graffiti so you burn it down. You sure showed 'em!
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11-09-2016, 11:09 AM
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#336
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Originally Posted by New Era
Trump ran his campaign on nothing but identity politics. This campaign was won on identity politics and the statistics prove that in spades.
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
By all means, argue that the Democrats also ran heavily on identity politics.
Just don't sit there and pretend Trump did not.
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Which just shows how toxic identity politics is to democracy. When you promote an ideology where we regard citizens not as individuals but as members of racial and gender groups engaged in a power struggle, and declare that groups A, B, and C should champion their identities, while group D should feel shame about theirs and stand down, don't be surprised when group D says screw that and takes up their own banner to join the fray.
Whether it's just or fair is completely beside the point. Divide people into groups and you get group conflict. It's basic human nature. Traditional liberals have been warning about this for years. What in #### did the leftist academics and activists who wave the red flag of identity politics expect was going to happen?
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The thing I find funny is that more moderate conservatives who admit that Trump was a terrible candidate and still supported him, seemed at least love having a candidate hated so much by Democrats and liberals. It was almost like have a candidate the other side loathes was just as important (or more important) than having one you liked.
It's like the internet "trolling culture" working its way into the fabric of ordinary life.
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Absolutely. People will up-vote anyone who pisses off people they hate. The left does it. The right does it. It's internet forum wars writ large.
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11-09-2016, 11:10 AM
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#337
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Which is why defense, bank, and pharma stocks are all up this morning, because they assume the country is going more left...
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Pharma stocks are up because of what happened yesterday on California
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11-09-2016, 11:11 AM
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#338
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Originally Posted by Igottago
And there's tones of cases of muslim immigrants coming to western countries and contributing to society and being wonderful citizens and people.
If you're going to make a blanket statement be prepared to defend it, or learn to articulate yourself intelligently.
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Absolutely there's examples both ways. Unfortunately that doesn't make the problems of rampant sexual assault in Sweden, for one example, go away.
It's a very real issue even if most Muslim immigrants are "good."
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11-09-2016, 11:12 AM
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#339
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I don't think Trump has a clear and cohesive ideology (he is too reactionary and impulsive probably to adhere to one).
He just wanted to be president and did what it took. His vehicle was the Republican party. It's not an American thing either. Politicians all over the world use political parties as their mechanism to gain power.
I think with the case of Trump, the party hopes to control him. I'm not sure they will be able to though.
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11-09-2016, 11:13 AM
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#340
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Originally Posted by Red John
Absolutely there's examples both ways. Unfortunately that doesn't make the problems of rampant sexual assault in Sweden, for one example, go away.
It's a very real issue even if most Muslim immigrants are "good."
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Wasn't that Sweden thing pretty much totally debunked?
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