PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Reports are that Clinton camp did not actually have a concession speech prepared because 'it was a sure thing.' They moved the concession to the morning so they would have time to write one.

Hillary wanted to win so badly she bet the entire country on it.

Bernie was the best shot Americans had but her greed was greater than her interest in the American people and he polled way higher than Trump in all the States that Clinton needed to win but lost. Bernie polled higher with independents that all but didn't show up for Clinton. The DNC, Clinton and their corruption of primary process is to blame for this. They used superdelegates to ignore half their base, the enthusiastic half, that would likely have captured the independent "change" vote as well. Instead those mostly went to Trump

Bernie polled higher with women, poller higher with low income voters, minorities, etc, etc

He was simply the better candidate.

[surferguy]

Apparently 1956 was when America was great.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by photon

I doubt there's an actual Trump/Russia bond as in they planned anything.

I think Russia prefers and did what they could to get Trump elected because he is an advantage to them.

How does it manifest itself? Maybe Putin flexes his muscles and invades Estonia, to see if Trump does anything. If he doesn't, then what does that mean for NATO. Not sure if Putin would be that bold.

From the US side, it'll be interesting to see if Trump stops the plan to send troops into Eastern Europe. http://mashable.com/2016/03/30/ameri...astern-europe/

If he does, that'll be a pretty big signal.

The Russians are too actually weak to do anything so overt. What I think you might see is some pushing of boundaries around the edges to test out the willingness of the Americans to be "tough".
Alternatively, and this is perhaps more likely, is you might see an attempt to strike a grand bargain a la Yalta with Trump, to define spheres of influence. The Russians really fear the creeping NATOization and westernization is their near abroad...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Hillary will probably end up with fewer votes than John McCain just to show what a spectacular failure she was.

[photon]

Completely unrelated, why the **** is Tapatalk suddenly emailing me every time someone replies to me???

[Azure]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Bernie Sanders's supporters swung this election to the guy who you'd think is against pretty much everything they pretended to stand for. I don't really feel like Bernie himself can take too much blame because he seemed pretty genuine in trying to get his supporters out in support of Hillary, but his supporters really screwed themselves by making that statement.

Sanders would not have had a chance. There is no way half the country would vote for his platform.

I don't know what to think or hope for from here. I want to hope that Trump fails and shows what a terrible mistake he is, but I don't know how he can do that without taking the country down with him.

Sorry I disagree. In a normal election cycle Bernie wouldn't have had a chance, but this election wasn't normal. His message was very left-wing, but as the Alberta election showed us, people will vote completely against their ideals when they are sick and tired of status quo.

The real fault lies with the Democrats who were too stupid to realize Hillary was a terrible candidate.

Think about it, Bernie had more women support among Democrats than she did during the primaries.

[Huntingwhale]

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Have to laugh at all the stupid Americans who supported a racist and a sexist. Honestly what a shame and a joke that even one poster on this site is defending him and congratulating him.

Do people not take sexual assault seriously? Racism? If you support Trump, you're honestly a bad person. Period.

The man treats women like they are property. The same posters who hate the way Middle Eastern presidents treat women are supporting a man who treats women like garbage. A man so sick and demented said he would date his own daughter if she wasn't his daughter: He is as sexist as they come and some on this site don't care because? He made some false promises? It's pretty pathetic and honestly it's no shock who these posters are who are defending Trump.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He won by getting a lot of support of racists and sexists. His talk of banning Muslims alone probably pushed him over the top.

Never underestimate the stupidity and fear of Americans.

I think it's funny how you are really vocal about calling out Trump for generalizing groups of people like Muslims, blacks, Latinos, etc, yet you have no problem repeatedly calling Americans stupid.

[nik-]

[Senator Clay Davis]

I should have realized this earlier, but gun manufacturers are actually down this morning. No narrative of "they're coming for ours guns" to spike sales. Private prisons way up though.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Looks like a lot of people have had enough of identity politics.

Trump ran his campaign on nothing but identity politics. This campaign was won on identity politics and the statistics prove that in spades.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I should have realized this earlier, but gun manufacturers are actually down this morning. No narrative of "they're coming for ours guns" to spike sales. Private prisons way up though.

I find it absolutely mindboggling that a freaking prison has a publicly traded stock. Obviously nothing new but it just seems so odd.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think it's funny how you are really vocal about calling out Trump for generalizing groups of people like Muslims, blacks, Latinos, etc, yet you have no problem repeatedly calling Americans stupid.

They are. They proved it last night.

[Weitz]

I might be the only one, but I think Trump ran his campaign in the only way he could to have a chance at winning. I said this months ago, but it really was the only way to win.

I don't think his presidency will be nearly as bad as people think. He is a huge ego guy and won't want to go out as the "worst president ever". I see him being very middle of the ground.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I'll happily take my L (nice childish world star comment). Speaking of that, if you want to know the typical IQ of an American just visit the comment section of that site.

If you supported Trump you supported a racist and a sexist and any other ists and isms you can think of. That's the truth.

But that's the issue, you've made it so us and them that you can't reasonably expect them to come around. You're dismissing a lot of people who aren't racist, who aren't sexist, but you (and the media) have made them out to be because they don't agree with you.

People didn't like the status quo, Hilary Clinton was the face of the status quo. She was the pick of the elite, the banks, the media. A lot of the disenfranchised voters didn't have a reason to vote for her. They didn't like the email cover up, they didn't like her as a person, they didn't like the DNC rigging the election against Sanders in her favour.

To me, there were three type of voters for Trump:
1. Typical republicans. Could have been a beach ball painted in red, they were going to vote republican.
2. Sexist xenophobes. An unfortunate vocal minority (unfortunately probably not as small of a minority that we would want).
3. Those against Clinton.

Clinton wasn't a saint. If you want to talk about sexual assaults, she's the one silencing and blaming victims of Bill. Or maybe we should believe everyone who accuses Trump but not believe those who have been accusing Bill? Sounds a lot like victim blaming.

[Wiggum_PI]

Massachusetts and Nevada voted to legalize marijuana, and a bunch of states voted to increase minimum wage. I honestly didn't know people could vote for these kinds of things in the presidential election.

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/ballot-measures

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I might be the only one, but I think Trump ran his campaign in the only way he could to have a chance at winning. I said this months ago, but it really was the only way to win.

I don't think his presidency will be nearly as bad as people think. He is a huge ego guy and won't want to go out as the "worst president ever". I see him being very middle of the ground.

I hope you're right. But he has at least 1 SC justice to appoint with a Republican house and senate. He may be middle ground but he may also be pushed to the edge by congress.

[Tinordi]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-republic.html

This is now Trump’s America. He controls everything from here on forward. He has won this campaign in such a decisive fashion that he owes no one anything. He has destroyed the GOP and remade it in his image. He has humiliated the elites and the elite media. He has embarrassed every pollster and naysayer. He has avenged Obama. And in the coming weeks, Trump will not likely be content to bask in vindication. He will seek unforgiving revenge on those who dared to oppose him. The party apparatus will be remade in his image. The House and Senate will fail to resist anything he proposes — and those who speak up will be primaried into oblivion. The Supreme Court may well be shifted to the far right for more than a generation to come — with this massive victory, he can pick a new Supreme Court justice who will make Antonin Scalia seem like a milquetoast. He will have a docile, fawning Congress for at least four years. We will not have an administration so much as a court.

Almost certainly, as in Britain, the left, already radicalized, will respond by moving ever farther left, leaving the now openly revanchist right — far more radical than the Tory government in Britain — with total control over the levers of power. They will not let those levers go easily. They will likely build a propaganda machine more powerful than Fox and Breitbart — and generate pseudo-stories and big lies that, absent any authoritative or trusted media, will dominate the new centers of information, Facebook or its successors. We will be in a new political and media universe in which an authoritarian cult will thrive. This is how fascists tend to govern.

The only sliver of hope is that his promises cannot be kept. He cannot bring millions of jobs back if he triggers a trade war. He cannot build a massive new wall across the entire southern border and get Mexico to pay for it. He cannot deport millions of illegal immigrants, without massive new funding from Congress and major civil unrest. He cannot “destroy ISIS”; his very election will empower it in ways its leaders could not possibly have hoped for. He cannot both cut taxes on the rich, fund a massive new infrastructure program, boost military spending, protect entitlements, and not tip the U.S. into levels of debt even Paul Krugman might blanch at. At some point, a few timid souls in the GOP may mention the concepts of individual liberty or due process or small government or balanced budgets. At some point even his supporters may worry or balk, and his support may fade.

But hope fades in turn when you realize how absolute and total his support clearly is. His support is not like that of a democratic leader but of a cult leader fused with the idea of the nation. If he fails, as he will, he will blame others, as he always does. And his cult followers will take their cue from him and no one else. “In Trump We Trust,” as his acolyte Ann Coulter titled her new book. And so there will have to be scapegoats — media institutions, the Fed, the “global conspiracy” of bankers and Davos muckety-mucks he previewed in his rankly anti-Semitic closing ad, rival politicians whom he will demolish by new names of abuse, foreign countries and leaders who do not cooperate, and doubtless civilians who will be targeted by his ranks of followers and demonized from the bully pulpit itself. The man has no impulse control and massive reserves of vengeance and hatred. In time, as his failures mount, the campaigns of vilification will therefore intensify. They will have to.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

this reminds me: what's the update on that cake?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They are. They proved it last night.

Calling a whole group of people stupid doesn't make you much different than Trump who also labels large groups of people.