Burke coming up on FAN960

[CroFlames]

Rhett is awesome right now on the radio

EDIT: Just wanted to expand on this. He was suggesting the coach give Monahan time away from the team + a benching. However he admits that would be difficult to bench a star whom paying customers come to see. His other suggestion was to play the crap out of him. Give him 27 to 30 minutes a night so he doesn't even have time to overthink or squeeze his stick. All he'll be focused on is catching his breath. At that point, his hockey instinct will simply take over and that is a good thing.

Also suggesting that anyone wanting Bob back is "completely out to lunch". I agree with him.

[Angelino]

This is an honest question, no slant intended, no green text. What exactly has Burke done of positive value since being in Calgary? If he was gone would it be worse or better in Calgary in terms of the organization?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Angelino

This is an honest question, no slant intended, no green text. What exactly has Burke done of positive value since being in Calgary? If he was gone would it be worse or better in Calgary in terms of the organization?

Fired Feaster, brought in Treliving. That's a yuge positive if you ask me.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Fired Feaster, brought in Treliving. That's a yuge positive if you ask me.

Brought some respect to a management group that traded iginla, bouwmeester for next to nothing , the RoR situation, etc.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

At the same time, if all they wanted to do was promote the Superskills, they could have sent Candace Goudie, who often does the radio promos when the Flames Foundation is involved. They sent Burke because they knew there were going to be questions about the performance of the team. And given how awful that performance has been, that there should be tough questions.

I think the reason Burke was even in studio is because he was doing a BT spot. Sounds like he jumped on with the Fan960 guys after.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You're not winning any Cups without playing a solid system. If that means you burn a season learning the system then so be it. But if you're going to then burn it to the ground and get another high pick.

Otherwise, many of the complainers should take a look in the mirror. This is what happens when your expectations meet reality. This year's team is essentially last year's bad team with a better goalie and an expensive role-playing winger as the only changes. Way too much stock was put into the Flames' young players making another significant step this season. That didn't happen, and frankly it was a long shot to expect it to happen anyway.

My point is that, in retrospect, this team was likely not going places anyway this year. If that is the case then may as well make it a development year in forcing the players to learn to play as an NHL team in 2015 in the cap era instead of the 2000-01 Avalanche.

At best, I thought this year the team would have an outside chance of squeaking into the playoffs. At worst, finishing bottom 3.

Did other people have higher expectations than that?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Shazam

At best, I thought this year the team would have an outside chance of squeaking into the playoffs. At worst, finishing bottom 3.

Did other people have higher expectations than that?

I pretty had the same expectation. Figured another year of seasoning for the young core plus capable goal-tending would make up the 10-15 points they would need to squeak in.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Shazam

At best, I thought this year the team would have an outside chance of squeaking into the playoffs. At worst, finishing bottom 3.

Did other people have higher expectations than that?

I certainly have/had higher expectations. I saw a team with exciting dynamic forwards who were taking a step forward, one of the better too 3 D than many teams in the league, and goaltending that should be middle of the pack. Barring injury I was thinking bubble was the worst we would be and firmly in a playoff spot was the expectation. I was also ready to about Johnny as one of the faces of the league and bordering on generational potential. That seems just way off 14 games in

[polak]

Originally Posted by Shazam

At best, I thought this year the team would have an outside chance of squeaking into the playoffs. At worst, finishing bottom 3.

Did other people have higher expectations than that?

Definitely had higher expectations than that.

You thought this team would basically be in the same place as last year or worse with the addition of solid goaltending, a top 6 RW and expected improvement from your core which is essentially already in place long term?

When did you expect this team to compete? It's the 5th year of rebuilding, were at the cap and we have maybe 1 real hole...

I thought we'd be firmly in the mix for a playoff spot and if Tkachuk managed to have the impact that he has, we'd be firmly in a playoff spot as that fills that last remaining hole.

I feel like a lot of posters are going to continue saying "We're rebuilding" excuse until we finally get lucky....

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You're not winning any Cups without playing a solid system. If that means you burn a season learning the system then so be it. But if you're going to then burn it to the ground and get another high pick.

[...]

There is no way you should have to burn a season to learn a system. What on earth are these supposed "systems" that take the best players in the world months to figure out?

Furthermore, burning this season does not make success later more likely. On the contrary, it makes it more likely that they'll burn the next season as well.

This line of thinking sounds very much like when Brent Sutter succeeded Keenan. Week after week, month after month, teaching the apparently stubborn, slow-witted players who are used to free hockey to play proper hockey. At least that was the story. Well the bottom line was that Brent never got the team to play good hockey. Hopefully this time will be different.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by polak

Definitely had higher expectations than that.

You thought this team would basically be in the same place as last year or worse with the addition of solid goaltending, a top 6 RW and expected improvement from your core which is essentially already in place long term?

When did you expect this team to compete? It's the 5th year of rebuilding, were at the cap and we have maybe 1 real hole...

I thought we'd be firmly in the mix for a playoff spot and if Tkachuk managed to have the impact that he has, we'd be firmly in a playoff spot as that fills that last remaining hole.

I feel like a lot of posters are going to continue saying "We're rebuilding" excuse until we finally get lucky....

5th year of a rebuild, please explain?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

5th year of a rebuild, please explain?

Rebuild starts when we give up on the old core

'12-'13
'13-'14
'14-'15
'15-'16
'16-'17

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by polak

Rebuild starts when we give up on the old core

'12-'13
'13-'14
'14-'15
'15-'16
'16-'17

2012-2013 was the lockout and we didn't trade Iginla & Bouwmeester until the end of that season.

[SOMBRI2]

Originally Posted by Shazam

At best, I thought this year the team would have an outside chance of squeaking into the playoffs. At worst, finishing bottom 3.

Did other people have higher expectations than that?

Reality meets expectations... Treliving said it in one of the radio interviews earlier that he expects the team to make the playoffs. This is "walking" or "jogging" whatever words BB describing the marching forward of a franchise.

Right now, I am still optimisitc, buying in what Haynes suggested... but I wont be surprised if the team pulled a Savard firing next year in November.

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[polak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

2012-2013 was the lockout and we didn't trade Iginla & Bouwmeester until the end of that season.

It was still when the rebuild started. Where moves were made to improve the team long term at the expense of the short term.

Whatever, move the goal posts as you wish. Call it the 4th year of the rebuild. Did you expect regression in year 4 of the rebuild when our core is basically set?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by polak

Rebuild starts when we give up on the old core

'12-'13
'13-'14
'14-'15
'15-'16
'16-'17

So we traded the old core at the end of the 12-13 season, so that was not a rebuild year. And we are 15% of the way through the 16-17 season, so kind of hard to count that as a year.

Kind feel like you are doing some fancy math manipulation to help try and justify your state of panic.

Truth is, we are 3 years into what was a complete burn it to the ground rebuild, that in fairness to you, likely started 3 years too late which means we were even worse off when we started the rebuild because we literally got jack #### for that old core you referenced.

It's hard, but expectations are way too high around here because of the playoffs 2 years ago. This team was basically starting from 0 three years ago. The fact that Johnny is who he is IMO = the equivalent of getting another Top 5 pick without having to go through another year of losing to get it, so that should put us "one year ahead". Based on everything we've seen around the league, just how many seasons would you have expected a complete rebuild to render results? Especially considering we haven't drafted 1st overall and gotten any generational talents with those picks?

[nik-]

I find it hilarious that we're discussing what year of rebuild we're in now too.

Maybe on year seven we'll be saying it's still year four because of some technicality like Oilers fans did.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by polak

It was still when the rebuild started. Where moves were made to improve the team long term at the expense of the short term.

Whatever, move the goal posts as you wish. Call it the 4th year of the rebuild. Did you expect regression in year 4 of the rebuild when our core is basically set?

lol...not arguing with you, just pointing out that we finished the 2013 season with the old core.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol...not arguing with you, just pointing out that we finished the 2013 season with the old core.

We traded Iginla, J-Bo, Tanguay, Sarich that year. I guess it depends what you want to call it but those trades could've potentially fast tracked everything if we really nailed it so I count that as year one.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by polak

Definitely had higher expectations than that.

You thought this team would basically be in the same place as last year or worse with the addition of solid goaltending, a top 6 RW and expected improvement from your core which is essentially already in place long term?

When did you expect this team to compete? It's the 5th year of rebuilding, were at the cap and we have maybe 1 real hole...

I thought we'd be firmly in the mix for a playoff spot and if Tkachuk managed to have the impact that he has, we'd be firmly in a playoff spot as that fills that last remaining hole.

I feel like a lot of posters are going to continue saying "We're rebuilding" excuse until we finally get lucky....

Yeah. I know. It sucks. Just because of the way playoff slotting now works conference games matter so much more.

I was going to give (not in any particular order)

LA
Chicago
St Louis
Anaheim
Minnesota
Dallas
SJ

playoff spots. Not totally sold on SJ, so perhaps two spots up for grabs.

Hopefully Edmonton falls back to earth more, and LA's looking wibbly wobbly (but I guess everybody there was injured).