[News] Grossmann on waivers. UPD: Assigned to Stockton

[zyzz]

Shazam all up in arms over nothing. UFA signing, veteren guy who will be good to have around the kids. You're gasping a straws mate.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Shazam

That's some awesome reading comprehension you've got there.

No, I didn't compare anything BT's done to brain-dead Feaster's era. If you would like me to rephrase it in a way you understand, try this:

The team is still being impacted by Feaster's moves.

Brad Treliving, the current GM, is doing his best to lessen those impacts.

But Dennis Wideman.

And drinking is fun.

And good grief, maximizing cap space is a thing again. Sigh.

Why is this so difficult for you?

WIthout signing grossmann the flames would've been prevented from icing a more competitive roster, including influencing the decision on which prospects can get called up based on their contract situation.

Signing Grossmann directly benefited the Calgary flames and their ability to manage the cap and minimize the problems created by Feaster.

If Treliving didn't sign and play Grossmann he would've been doing a worse job than if he had signed and played him.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Yeah but you should see how many posts he has at the anus bleaching forum.

I moderate AnusBleachers.com!

Hmm, that domain doesn't exist, going to Godaddy.com now.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why is this so difficult for you?

WIthout signing grossmann the flames would've been prevented from icing a more competitive roster, including influencing the decision on which prospects can get called up based on their contract situation.

Signing Grossmann directly benefited the Calgary flames and their ability to manage the cap and minimize the problems created by Feaster.

If Treliving didn't sign and play Grossmann he would've been doing a worse job than if he had signed and played him.

So you're saying Kulak couldn't have stayed up if Grossmann didn't sign?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Shazam

So you're saying Kulak couldn't have stayed up if Grossmann didn't sign?

I'm not positive on Kulak but I believe so.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm not positive on Kulak but I believe so.

So your answer is a definite maybe?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by devo22

Good to see that the experiment is over. Hopefully the Flames braintrust realized during the Cali road trip that this whole truculence and big=good BS is pretty outdated. If you can't skate, size gets you nowhere in today's NHL.

It is actually interesting that you brought up this point. Treliving (and I believe Burke, but not 100% sure now) has been on record stating that size matters, but only if you can skate and play. Treliving emphasized on a number of occasions that they need to get bigger, but that size has to come with good speed and good skill.

This might be another point to show that Grossman was indeed just a means to get as close as possible to the cap to maximize the LTIR (or I am reading way too much into it, which might be possible too).

[CSharp]

Why he's signed in the first place is still a head scratcher. Sure, the guy is big, but he can't play defence and he can't skate - the two minimal requirements for a defenceman.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Why he's signed in the first place is still a head scratcher. Sure, the guy is big, but he can't play defence and he can't skate - the two minimal requirements for a defenceman.

Read the ####ing thread if you want information.

[Shazam]

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/10/13/wh...klas-grossmann

So, considering Brett Kulak and his $656,666 cap hit made the roster, that left the team just a shade over $575,000 in cap space to play with. Under normal circumstances, the Flames would take it and start the season as is. However, this season, if they did that, then when they eventually LTIR Smid, they would’ve received only $2.925M of his $3.5M in cap relief. Thus, signing Grossmann to his gross, but very specific contract.

So no, they didn't need Grossmann to keep Kulak.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Why he's signed in the first place is still a head scratcher. Sure, the guy is big, but he can't play defence and he can't skate - the two minimal requirements for a defenceman.

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/10/13/wh...klas-grossmann

Normally I would say beaten to punch, but I think this needs to be posted again for emphasis.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Shazam

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/10/13/wh...klas-grossmann



So no, they didn't need Grossmann to keep Kulak.

So if you see Janko this season, you can thank the Grossmann signing.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Why he's signed in the first place is still a head scratcher. Sure, the guy is big, but he can't play defence and he can't skate - the two minimal requirements for a defenceman.

Because it just HAD to 100% be Grossmann. Cmon man, read the thread. It couldn't be any other unsigned defenseman.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Shazam

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/10/13/wh...klas-grossmann



So no, they didn't need Grossmann to keep Kulak.

But they needed to sign him so they could have an extra 575k in salary by leveraging 3.5M vs 2.9M of Smid LTIR space. Makes sense when you think about having 600k in cap space down the road.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This might be another point to show that Grossman was indeed just a means to get as close as possible to the cap to maximize the LTIR (or I am reading way too much into it, which might be possible too).

nah I don't think you do, it makes perfect sense.

[Freeway]

I'm looking into how the cap space/LTIR relief works now that Grossmann goes down. And what happens in the likely event the Flames call up somebody else in his place.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Because it just HAD to 100% be Grossmann. Cmon man, read the thread. It couldn't be any other unsigned defenseman.

OK, which other ones could it have been, and upon what facts are you relying that the names you are going to mention would have agreed to come here for exactly the deal that Grossman signed.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Robbob

But they needed to sign him so they could have an extra 575k in salary by leveraging 3.5M vs 2.9M of Smid LTIR space. Makes sense when you think about having 600k in cap space down the road.

How do they have an extra 575k in salary when they are paying Nicklas Grossmann 575k in salary (actual dollars, too, not just cap hit)?

I can't be the only one who sees how nonsensical that sounds?

(yes. I understand how LTIR works. But again, if that cap relief is going to Grossmann - it is not cap relief. And by assigning him to Stockton, it is no longer cap relief at all while simultaneously NOT being salary relief)

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Shazam

MOD EDIT

do we need the random objectification of women in there? what is that supposed to mean anyway

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So if you see Janko this season, you can thank the Grossmann signing.

No. All they got was an additional 500K on top of the almost $3million.

So if they didn't sign Grossmann, they could've had anybody up to $3million, as opposed to $3.5 million.