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pylon · 03-15-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Sport Chek likely had to pay a lot less for the deal in the early 2000s. And if Sport Chek only pays for the tickets they do sell then the Flames have to be fudging the attendance numbers because there are tons of empty seats up there for weekday games. It's one or the other.

The Flames never sent emails out the day of the game before the last couple years and not nearly at the same frequency as this year. They are sent almost every single game now. In fact, the only ones are I can remember not getting one for in months are Winnipeg and San Jose (for obvious reasons). So clearly it's related to walk-up ticket sales lacking if the email isn't sent for games that are obvious sell-outs.

Sport Chek zone came after 2004. They had those seats tarped from about 97-98 up until the 2004 playoffs. So Sport Chek and Co-Op who had the other side (i think they did for a season at least, might be wrong on that) were never involved in the early 2000's.

troutman · 03-15-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinoff90

Well seeing as how everything in those numbers is about attendance numbers with no mention of revenue I think it is obvious what I meant. But high ticket prices? Last I heard about their prices season tickets were a hot dog in the other Canadian markets

They could fill a larger arena and demand is high because the Jets are back not because there are a lack of seats in an arena built for a WHL team. If demand is going to drop once the hype wears off then they shouldn't have got a team back.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/26...adians-hardest

WIN has the second highest average ticket price in the NHL.

True North has said that 15,000 is the perfect size for what they need to do in Winnipeg.

The Flames are considering building a SMALLER building (18,000) than the Dome, with more boxes.

Notorious Honey Badger · 03-15-2012, 02:22 PM

Doesn't that article show Winnipeg as being 2nd highest in the league?

Resolute 14 · 03-15-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pylon

Sport Chek zone came after 2004. They had those seats tarped from about 97-98 up until the 2004 playoffs. So Sport Chek and Co-Op who had the other side (i think they did for a season at least, might be wrong on that) were never involved in the early 2000's.

Nope. The east 300s were tarped after row 3, but the west 300s were open and tickets sold through Sport Chek. Co-op has a couple sections in the upper bowl end. Both groups were involved since at least 2000, and I usually took advantage of their offers back then. Especially for games I knew where an usher would come around and upgrade people to the lower bowl because it was a game on TSN.

MotoRacer · 11-07-2016, 05:09 PM

falling fast

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

MarkGio · 11-07-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoRacer

falling fast

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

Low scoring hockey? Less fights?

I mean, the league is now at 50/50 split, just had world cup, no more fights, 3-on-3, big TV deal, and outdoor games, so what possibly be the issue? The game is being played exactly how Bettman wanted it.

memphusk · 11-07-2016, 05:32 PM

Game is soft. Half the problem.

jayswin · 11-07-2016, 05:35 PM

Carolina announced about 8500 last night, and I would suspect there were at least a couple thousand less. They've had a bunch of games over the past two seasons that people speculate were less than 5000 actual people.

I truly believe those rumors that we'll see the Hurricanes moved to Quebec near or at the end of this season. It's really shaping up to be like the Thrashers to Winnipeg announcement.

The persistent rumors of Carolina owners meeting in Quebec and vice versa, Quebecor dropping out of the expansion race after originally being all in. (I know they spoke of the Canadian economy but they probably got wind of this much better deal, imo).

Locke · 11-07-2016, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Low scoring hockey? Less fights?

I mean, the league is now at 50/50 split, just had world cup, no more fights, 3-on-3, big TV deal, and outdoor games, so what possibly be the issue? The game is being played exactly how Bettman wanted it.

I wonder if the World Cup plays into it. Big, Expensive Tournament, kind of made the opening of the season a bit 'meh.'

Its like having the playoffs before the regular season. The normal, everyday product can seem a bit dull in comparison.

Over-saturation?

jayswin · 11-07-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by memphusk

Game is soft. Half the problem.

It's become a pretty weak product if you ask me.

I wouldn't even be that against the transition if the speed and finesse had taken over for the hard hitting, rough game. But like every new style that the league tries to implement to force more excitement - the coaches outsmart it and bring it back down to simplicity and manageable systems.

Coaches and systems has always been the leagues worst enemy, but also not something you can really take away. I mean am I the only one that watches a game and sees the amazing speed and skill of the players individually and goes "Well yeah, I can see how this collection of players could make an incredible entertaining game but instead they're all playing perfect man on man coverage and rigid systems so it's all wasted."?

MarkGio · 11-07-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by memphusk

Game is soft. Half the problem.

I think the league needs to fix the reffing, for one. I'm sick of humans subjectively flip flopping, missing calls, or trying to manage the game. With today's technology where a surveillance system in Vegas can tell if a player is cheating, you think they can make a fair system in every arena.

Jojado · 11-07-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoRacer

falling fast

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

Guess the numbers for Winnipeg mean that they're factoring in the Heritage Classic? MTS Centre can only hold around 15,000 ...

Not long ago, many teams would report a sellout even though the building was nowhere close to selling out. We're seeing numbers that are closer to the true numbers nows.

In the case of the Flames, I've noticed large blocks of unsold seats suddenly disappear from Ticketmaster, particularly in 102-106. Does that mean that someone suddenly bought 200 tickets? We all know that fans get moved to the lower sections to look good for TV.

MarkGio · 11-07-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

I wonder if the World Cup plays into it. Big, Expensive Tournament, kind of made the opening of the season a bit 'meh.'

Its like having the playoffs before the regular season. The normal, everyday product can seem a bit dull in comparison.

Over-saturation?

Its hard to say. It's not like the Olympics messes with the SC playoffs. Or the Olympics with basketball messes with the reg season. You would think it would get people pumped where they would otherwise be reading about the preseason exercises.

I think this is the perfect time for the league to maximize. Basketball has no parity with these super teams basically just rolling over the competition. And Baseball doesn't have the McGuires and Sosas juiced up hitting dingers. So why not draw in the other fans?

N-E-B · 11-07-2016, 05:49 PM

Teams don't have identities anymore. They're all playing the same generic style. I still love hockey but it's becoming too standard.

Cecil Terwilliger · 11-07-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Low scoring hockey? Less fights?

I mean, the league is now at 50/50 split, just had world cup, no more fights, 3-on-3, big TV deal, and outdoor games, so what possibly be the issue? The game is being played exactly how Bettman wanted it.

What? No.

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Originally Posted by memphusk

Game is soft. Half the problem.

What? No.

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

I think the league needs to fix the reffing, for one. I'm sick of humans subjectively flip flopping, missing calls, or trying to manage the game. With today's technology where a surveillance system in Vegas can tell if a player is cheating, you think they can make a fair system in every arena.

What? No.

There are all kinds of reasons why attendance may be down. None of them are related to fighting, 3 on 3 or reffing.

Popularity of hockey, cost of tickets, competition for entertainment dollars, economic uncertainty are all far more likely.

jayswin · 11-07-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Its hard to say. It's not like the Olympics messes with the SC playoffs. Or the Olympics with basketball messes with the reg season. You would think it would get people pumped where they would otherwise be reading about the preseason exercises.

I think this is the perfect time for the league to maximize. Basketball has no parity with these super teams basically just rolling over the competition. And Baseball doesn't have the McGuires and Sosas juiced up hitting dingers. So why not draw in the other fans?

Poor example using the NBA and actually a case study in how maybe parity isn't the great fix that leagues have been looking to achieve. The NBA's popularity is soaring right now. A few years ago they were actually in danger of being unseated by the NHL in the four major sports.

If anything I'm now starting to wonder if the extra revenue from teams that are slightly out of the playoffs, but not actually going to make it isn't all that much more than when teams are really out of it. And maybe the extra revenue from having elite teams that fans come out in other cities to see and tune it on TV to see more than make up for the missed revenue in lack of parody.

worth · 11-07-2016, 05:59 PM

We haven't been selling out this year?

jayswin · 11-07-2016, 06:03 PM

I mean just anecdotally does Phoenix or Anaheim or Brooklyn really have a significant difference in attendance when they're in 10th place and 6 points out but need a miracle to get in over the other two teams compared to being 12 points out and playing out the stretch?

And would the alternative of having the super teams bring in way more casual viewers on TV and also some more tickets from visiting arenas for the super teams and actually make the sport more popular overall? It seems it's working in the NBA despite the anger of hardcore fans.

Obviously there's flaws in my theory as I just thought of it and spit it out, but maybe an interesting debate?

MarkGio · 11-07-2016, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What? No.

What? No.

What? No.

There are all kinds of reasons why attendance may be down. None of them are related to fighting, 3 on 3 or reffing.

Popularity of hockey, cost of tickets, competition for entertainment dollars, economic uncertainty are all far more likely.

You say that as if it's a fact. Do you have a link to support your claims?

jayswin · 11-07-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by worth

We haven't been selling out this year?

Not even close. We've had a couple sell outs, but mostly we've had 1-2 thousand available tickets before the games. That doesn't even account for scalpers and others taking a bath on unsold tickets and people just not showing up because they're pissed at the product.

It's looked a lot closer to 15k then 19289 most nights. It could be worse, Ottawa's already announced a 13k game. We haven't seen an attendance announced that low in Canada in probably a decade or more. I saw the game too and it honestly looked like a strong Coyotes turnout.