Burke coming up on FAN960

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Domoic

They did not press him on the coach!

That is THE topic du jour!

No it's not. The Flames are not going to pay 2 coaches to sit at home. Gulutzan is safe for at least this season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think most think the coaching staff is the question of the day. When you're top players aren't playing well it's not the coach ... and I would think Burke would be pretty qualified to land at that assessment on his own.

Good on the morning crew for not lofting stupid questions.

Bingo you sound like a company man. There's ample evidence to show that the head coach has made numerous questionable decisions going back to preseason and it is his job at the end of the day to get the most out of his best players. I get that you want to give the new coach a long rope but posters here aren't stupid. We could see the signs when Eakins was coaching the Oilers just like we can see it here.

I will say that Burke likely wouldn't want to say anything that would undermine Treliving so I don't know if there would be anything to gain by asking him pointed questions regarding coaching.

[CroFlames]

That was a good talk. Nothing ground breaking, but some good stuff nonetheless.

I like how he said that if he thought any player had lack of effort he would be "frying" him right now, name & number. He has no problem calling out players for lack of effort, but he doesn't believe its the case.

He also doesn't believe that the large contract pressure can be used as an excuse anymore. For him, it's 10 games max, then it's something else that is holding them back.

Having said that, I think Monahan and Johnny played well in Anaheim.

[IgiTang]

Can we get a recap?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bingo you sound like a company man. There's ample evidence to show that the head coach has made numerous questionable decisions going back to preseason and it is his job at the end of the day to get the most out of his best players. I get that you want to give the new coach a long rope but posters here aren't stupid. We could see the signs when Eakins was coaching the Oilers just like we can see it here.

I will say that Burke likely wouldn't want to say anything that would undermine Treliving so I don't know if there would be anything to gain by asking him pointed questions regarding coaching.

Frick do I hate this argument.

The company man? Just love it when someone just labels you when you don't agree with them, such a weak weak argument.

It's like a pessimist calling out an optimist.

It's November 7th today. That month is pretty close to October. Hell Haynes even listed out the average turnaround for new coaches is at 18 games over the past several years.

If you want to overreact and panic fill your boots, but forgive me for not being a lemming and jump with you.

I see the Flames system as dramatically improved from last season. I see the execution some nights as not so much. I don't think they're coaching turnovers, or Gaudreau to try and beat everyone himself, or Bennett to hook someone every time he gets a chance, or to make sure they blow all four of the NHL trusted zone entries for powerplays, or to cough the puck up whenever you get a chance.

It's nonsensical.

But go ahead and call me a company man ... but man the Flames are about 17 years behind on their cheques

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Frick do I hate this argument.

The company man? Just love it when someone just labels you when you don't agree with them, such a weak weak argument.

It's like a pessimist calling out an optimist.

It's November 7th today. That month is pretty close to October. Hell Haynes even listed out the average turnaround for new coaches is at 18 games over the past several years.

If you want to overreact and panic fill your boots, but forgive me for not being a lemming and jump with you.

I see the Flames system as dramatically improved from last season. I see the execution some nights as not so much. I don't think they're coaching turnovers, or Gaudreau to try and beat everyone himself, or Bennett to hook someone every time he gets a chance, or to make sure they blow all four of the NHL trusted zone entries for powerplays, or to cough the puck up whenever you get a chance.

It's nonsensical.

But go ahead and call me a company man ... but man the Flames are about 17 years behind on their cheques

You must really hate CP these days then. It's all about labelling and insulting the people you don't agree with around here.

I say something and get called dramatic and get trashed (yes I'm talking about go jets go).

It's the new CP.

I realized I was doing it against TheScorpion as well which wasn't fair to him.

I completely agree though, it's very very weak.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

You must really hate CP these days then. It's all about labelling and insulting the people you don't agree with around here.

I say something and get called dramatic and get trashed (yes I'm talking about go jets go).

It's the new CP.

I realized I was doing it against TheScorpion as well which wasn't fair to him.

I completely agree though, it's very very weak.

Trust me there's nothing new about things getting heated on CP, I've seen it for 17 years. Hell I was in the middle of it when I was younger. Takes a lot more to get me riled now that I'm grey and have no hair.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Frick do I hate this argument.

The company man? Just love it when someone just labels you when you don't agree with them, such a weak weak argument.

It's like a pessimist calling out an optimist.

It's November 7th today. That month is pretty close to October. Hell Haynes even listed out the average turnaround for new coaches is at 18 games over the past several years.

If you want to overreact and panic fill your boots, but forgive me for not being a lemming and jump with you.

I see the Flames system as dramatically improved from last season. I see the execution some nights as not so much. I don't think they're coaching turnovers, or Gaudreau to try and beat everyone himself, or Bennett to hook someone every time he gets a chance, or to make sure they blow all four of the NHL trusted zone entries for powerplays, or to cough the puck up whenever you get a chance.

It's nonsensical.

But go ahead and call me a company man ... but man the Flames are about 17 years behind on their cheques

Powerplay is 90% coaching. The new coaches were specifically supposed to fix it.

It may be that there is typically a 20 game period until the new systems set in, but you can't argue that these coaches are doing a good job. They're not. So why put it all on the players?

They're all a bunch of bums right now, players and coaches alike.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

You must really hate CP these days then. It's all about labelling and insulting the people you don't agree with around here.
[...]

Like calling them "lemmings" and saying their point of view is "stupid"?

[Bingo]

you know that's fair

but man I get tired of over reacting hockey fans, especially ones that get livid if you don't join them in losing it.

so better terminology ...

you don't ask a hockey executive in November about a coaching staff that they went through a process to hire 14 games ago. It will get you an angry response and hurt the credibility of the person asking it.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by heep223

Powerplay is 90% coaching. The new coaches were specifically supposed to fix it.

It may be that there is typically a 20 game period until the new systems set in, but you can't argue that these coaches are doing a good job. They're not. So why put it all on the players?

They're all a bunch of bums right now, players and coaches alike.

Power play is 90 per cent coaching?
I strongly disagree with that. Special teams are not different from the rest of the game. It's about execution.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by heep223

Powerplay is 90% coaching. The new coaches were specifically supposed to fix it.

It may be that there is typically a 20 game period until the new systems set in, but you can't argue that these coaches are doing a good job. They're not. So why put it all on the players?

They're all a bunch of bums right now, players and coaches alike.

I would say PP is 90% execution. Keenan never had any PP practice.

[Bingo]

I'm not sure where the 90/10 split lies but I'm certainly on the side that powerplays are about reads, seeing the ice, and making skill plays to open up opportunities. Right now that's not happening.

It's not tough to look at video from other teams on zone entries and show it to your skill players. If they don't find a way to carry it out then it's on the players for not getting it done, or the GM for not having the players in place to do it.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Like calling them "lemmings" and saying their point of view is "stupid"?

What are you talking about? Lemmings are stupid.

But really what's your point?

Edit: the part that pisses me off about this edition of the flames is that they all seem to know what the problem is because they say it in interviews (BT, Gio, GG) but nothing is changing.. their answer, change up the lines...

It's clearly a bigger issue than just pairings and forward lines.. they all see, say it and do nothing about it.

[Toonage]

wrong thread

[Cali Panthers Fan]

It's interesting that when we have our support players on the power play (Backlund, Frolik, Kulak etc.) it looks much more competent than when we have our top players out there. That isn't the system, that's player's struggling to make hockey plays.

It's just ugly right now, but I would put about 20% of this on the coaches, and about 80% of it on formerly great players resembling the low skill young guns era.

[Racki]

I am fine to give Burke a bit of a break regarding the coaching hire, we're 14 games in and it might be premature.

However, the coaching staff is the question of the day for many Flames fans. It is certainly a hot button topic over and above how it relates to systems and special teams. I think that most concerning for Flames fans has been the "clunky" training camp, unusual personnel decisions (Grossman) and the way we've been using our defenseman (splitting up Brodie and Gio, using Brodie on left side).

I'd say Burke gets a pass this appearance but if there isn't some marked improvement the heat will be on them regarding the hiring of Gulutzan and Cameron in particular.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Bingo

you know that's fair

but man I get tired of over reacting hockey fans, especially ones that get livid if you don't join them in losing it.

so better terminology ...

you don't ask a hockey executive in November about a coaching staff that they went through a process to hire 14 games ago. It will get you an angry response and hurt the credibility of the person asking it.

This site is really hard to read lately

When you have people clamouring for gg's head while wanting bob Hartley back like the only flames hockey they've watched in the last 4 years was the playoff series vs Vancouver it's rough

You can't even have a civil discussion about how the top players have been awful so far or how the real killer if this team the last 2 years has been special teams because you get absolutely roasted

I didn't check the gt last night at all because all season the minute things go wrong(usually on a pk) this place goes into a fever pitch about how this is the worst the flames have looked ever, while I'm sitting there thinking that for the majority of the game, they looked fantastic

The worst part of all of this is how hot/cold it's become. 3 game win streak and this is a team of destiny. 2 game loss streak and there's so much negativity it's unbearable. You're a saint for putting up with this for so long lol

[Freeway]

I love y'all, but if you think coaching is the reason why a handful of players that are sleep-walking at even-strength can't suddenly turn it on for the power play, I don't know what to tell ya.

[Robbob]

One of the best things I bought into when Darryl Sutter was here was the mantra of don't let the highs get you to high or the low to low. Take the positives and move on. I just don't think it helps to dwell on the negatives. Easier and probably healthier to stay in that positive mindset.