The Walking Dead TV show only thread- Part II ***See spoiler rules in first post***

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

This photo always reminds me of big brother, fading out the recently voted out player.

Andrea is getting a little close with Rick there

[Max Cow Disease]

What does Glenn utter in his last moment there? "Maggie, I'll find you"? Quite sad! Glenn's always managed to be a doer, and to be there for Maggie and the group through thick and thin. Even in his last moment of physical shock he thinks he's going to get out of the situation and somehow track Maggie down.

[Fuzz]

I think he means he'll find her in the next world, afterlife. He knows he's a gonner in this world.

[Erick Estrada]

Looking at that picture I kind of wish they handled the Shane character a bit better and didn't have him go crazy so quickly. I thought he was a pretty good character who was on par with Rick for the first season at least.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Just to interject, what you are saying is that he should have read through your post to make sure he saw and fully grasped the spoiler, thereby spoiling for him? On the flipside, if I had gone into the post have never watched GOT, I too would not have known what to edit.

Anyway, back to TWD.

Yeah, I don't really want to belabor the point and sully the thread, but I think there are certain sacrifices and responsibilities necessary for moderation. And wow, does that sound an awful lot like a community member telling mods how to do their job...sorry, just want to be honest.

Or just delegate to another moderator?

I'm pretty sensitive to spoilers as well, and I thought my reference was pretty mild and safe as far as true spoilers go. Either way, I've learned to 'Spoiler' tag all references to other shows just in case.

[Locke]

So now my question is: How long does Negan last?

You cant sustain this level of violence.

He rules through fear and force, eventually one or the other is going to fail him, the Governor ruled through fear and deception, deception has a lot more longevity.

But man oh man did JDM kill it. Literally, figuratively and creatively!

[Kybosh]

Ya, with that single episode, Negan is already one of the most brutal villains I've ever seen on screen. The Governor was about as menacing as rabbit by comparison.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Ya, with that single episode, Negan is already one of the most brutal villains I've ever seen on screen. The Governor was about as menacing as rabbit by comparison.

I guess my big issue with Negan comes from the unsustainability of his character.

If I'm a 'Saviour' one day I'll have had enough of his BS, the guy carries a bat, I'd just off him with a gun while hes screwing around with his bat.

They dont show how he generates loyalty among his followers, other than the obvious 'provides them with food/shelter' angle, but he doesnt really 'provide' that they generate that benefit on their own as a result of their collaboration hes just the vehicle that brings it together.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Locke

So now my question is: How long does Negan last?

Knowing TWD, probably another season after this one.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Locke

I guess my big issue with Negan comes from the unsustainability of his character.

If I'm a 'Saviour' one day I'll have had enough of his BS, the guy carries a bat, I'd just off him with a gun while hes screwing around with his bat.

They dont show how he generates loyalty among his followers, other than the obvious 'provides them with food/shelter' angle, but he doesnt really 'provide' that they generate that benefit on their own as a result of their collaboration hes just the vehicle that brings it together.

My take is Negan is a cult, he has that intimidating figure going for him and people just fell into line. Like last season when the grimes gang was killing the Saviors everyone was calling themselves Negan.

[Max Cow Disease]

I just read an episode analysis that highlighted some of the little tidbits I'd missed. For example, I missed Abe's peace sign (presumably directed toward Sasha) just before he meets Lucille. I had also noticed Rick's obscene snot string, but not the associated snot bubble that was brief but very formidable.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Knowing TWD, probably another season after this one.

Honestly, I'm thinking the opposite.

I have no idea what the story arc is in the comics, but JDM is a film actor who took a cool opportunity. I dont think hes in this for the long-haul and I dont think his character can last all that long.

I get the idea that this is one crazy ride, but crazy rides are usually pretty short.

Just as long as there isnt a whole season of farming again. I love this show but I just dont think I could take that.

[Finger Cookin]

Yeah, I have no idea about comic storylines either. It just seems to me like things get stretched out a lot in the show. I expect a plot against Negan will start to get cooked up almost immediately, go through various stalls and restarts, then end in a cliffhanger at the end of S7, before it goes through the same motions next season. All while hinting at some other big bad, maybe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Negan may only be on screen for a handful of those episodes, maybe a lot fewer than The Governor, even though his presence is pervasive.

[Max Cow Disease]

It will definitely be interesting to see how they handle Negan. He's already set the bar near its maximum in episode 1 when it comes to evil, so there can't be many more ways that audiences get shocked by his behaviour in subsequent episodes. The hatred for the character is certainly fresh in everyone's mind now, so they'll have to keep that alive as the season continues along.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Yeah, I have no idea about comic storylines either. It just seems to me like things get stretched out a lot in the show. I expect a plot against Negan will start to get cooked up almost immediately, go through various stalls and restarts, then end in a cliffhanger at the end of S7, before it goes through the same motions next season. All while hinting at some other big bad, maybe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I couldnt believe that he just left them there at the end. Together.

"See you in a week!"

Are you kidding me? Yeah, see you in a week! You'll be at the business end of a rifle you idiot!

Some people would go home and lick their wounds and some people are going to come back and freaking KILL YOU!

Guess which kind of people these guys are...

[V]

Nah, he figures he completely broke them. They'll fall in line. Regarding JDM's commitment, you don't even really need to see him a lot anymore. It's not like he's going to be visiting the other compounds.

I have a feeling we're not seeing that tiger until the final shot of the season. That would piss me off, I want that tiger!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by V

Nah, he figures he completely broke them. They'll fall in line. Regarding JDM's commitment, you don't even really need to see him a lot anymore. It's not like he's going to be visiting the other compounds.

I have a feeling we're not seeing that tiger until the final shot of the season. That would piss me off, I want that tiger!

Oh I am all in for the Tiger! I want to see the damned Tiger. I want to see the Tiger kill Negan!

Where do you apply to become a writer on this show?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

I couldnt believe that he just left them there at the end. Together.

"See you in a week!"

Are you kidding me? Yeah, see you in a week! You'll be at the business end of a rifle you idiot!

Some people would go home and lick their wounds and some people are going to come back and freaking KILL YOU!

Guess which kind of people these guys are...

Negan obviously gets a kick out of breaking people, and that's probably what will bring him down in the end. That being said, Rick states the obvious, in that they simply don't have the manpower to bring down Negan at this point. Glenn, Abraham, and Darryl are down. That doesn't leave Rick with much of a force. The Alexandrians are all pretty useless. Negan just has too many people and too many guns at this point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Negan obviously gets a kick out of breaking people, and that's probably what will bring him down in the end. That being said, Rick states the obvious, in that they simply don't have the manpower to bring down Negan at this point. Glenn, Abraham, and Darryl are down. That doesn't leave Rick with much of a force. The Alexandrians are all pretty useless. Negan just has too many people and too many guns at this point.

I dont disagree except that I question the nature and reliability of those guns.

If Negan puts himself out front and centre and Rick offs him the question becomes: 'Will those guns turn on you?'

My opinion is that they would not.

These people dont love Negan, they dont even care about Negan, they're just afraid of him. If someone were to kill him I dont think there would be retaliation, they'd probably all either just go with whomever killed him or their own separate ways.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont disagree except that I question the nature and reliability of those guns.

If Negan puts himself out front and centre and Rick offs him the question becomes: 'Will those guns turn on you?'

My opinion is that they would not.

These people dont love Negan, they dont even care about Negan, they're just afraid of him. If someone were to kill him I dont think there would be retaliation, they'd probably all either just go with whomever killed him or their own separate ways.

I think that's the way it will ultimately go. But it'll need to be more of a long game. They'll need to form a game plan, tear at the fabric of Negan's group, potentially recruit people from other groups (Jesus would be a lot more helpful than the dolts at Alexandria), etc....

I don't see them going in with guns blazing next episode is all I'm saying. It'll be a long drawn out process. And yes, if anything results in Negan getting taken down, it'll be his own love of messing with people instead of just finishing them off.

As far as loyalty, if he's smart he works the way all gangs of thugs do. He's got a circle of enforcers around him who get to live a life of luxury. They keep another group around them in line. That group gets to live a slightly less luxurious lifestyle, etc....You don't really need loyalty, when you have bribery and fear.