The 2016 US American Election Thread

[photon]

EDIT: Watching the Cubs win apparently, posting for a caption contest seems more like.

[nik-]

Did her team release that? Are they aware of the internet?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by photon

EDIT: Watching the Cubs win apparently, posting for a caption contest seems more like.

They make me turn my phone off on airplanes...

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by nik-

Did her team release that? Are they aware of the internet?

No matter how silly she looks in them, 'human' moments are probably good for her.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by MattyC

They make me turn my phone off on airplanes...

US aircraft have had in-air WiFi for ages now.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by nik-

Did her team release that? Are they aware of the internet?

Nothing wrong with that picture. She looks like normal people making an ass of themselves.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by photon

EDIT: Watching the Cubs win apparently, posting for a caption contest seems more like.

Her outfit reminds me of an AirCanada stewardess.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by troutman

He's lying an bullying again. No way he wants to be deposed under oath on these claims.

Yeah, the New York Times noted today that they still have not heard further from Trump or his lawyers regarding the threatened lawsuit.

Still, I can't help contemplating what it would be like to have a Trump president whose first 100 days consist of launching lawsuits against what would likely at that point be a couple dozen women plus media organizations, counter-suits for defamation from Allred's clients and others, the Trump University case going ahead, the 13-year-old rape case proceeding, suing the DNC regarding the Veritas accusations, the lawsuits and counter-lawsuits against chefs, all while Trump is appointing federal judges.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by photon

EDIT: Watching the Cubs win apparently, posting for a caption contest seems more like.

Bill joins the mile high club for the 100th time.

[Drak]

So much whining from the republican/trump camp over the last few days about media bias. All they do is whine and complain. If Hillary has something notable drop against her, it will be in the news 24/7. You can't draw a negative equivalency at this time because there isn't one.

[Kjesse]

This is the first election I've ever followed where if asked about either candidate's policies, I wouldn't be able to say anything except vague concepts of what they stand for.

This election has been about personalities and what they've done in the past.

Thankfully it will all be over soon. I remember being really excited when Obama won his first term, by the second term I figured he overpromised and underdelivered, but he's going to looked upon fondly just because of who follows him as president.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Delgar

This is the first election I've ever followed where if asked about either candidate's policies, I wouldn't be able to say anything except vague concepts of what they stand for.

This election has been about personalities and what they've done in the past.

Thankfully it will all be over soon. I remember being really excited when Obama won his first term, by the second term I figured he overpromised and underdelivered, but he's going to looked upon fondly just because of who follows him as president.

Every president has overpromised and underdelivered. I think he did an amazing job considering the obstructionism that followed his election

[Kavvy]

I may be wrong, but doesn't a lot of the over-promising come from the presidential debate over economic policy, whereas the president only signs off on the Congress Budget bill, and congress does the heavy lifting?

I get there is Obama's Gitmo and other items, but I don't understand the economic focus on presidential candidates when it is congress's duty to pass the budget.

Or am I wrong?

Is it that the presidential is supposed to lead congress in the discussion?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I may be wrong, but doesn't a lot of the over-promising come from the presidential debate over economic policy, whereas the president only signs off on the Congress Budget bill, and congress does the heavy lifting?

I get there is Obama's Gitmo and other items, but I don't understand the economic focus on presidential candidates when it is congress's duty to pass the budget.

Or am I wrong?

Is it that the presidential is supposed to lead congress in the discussion?

On more general terms, the president and even government has limited powers. For example, Trump promises judges that will overturn ROE v WADE, Clinton promises cheap tuition, etc. Those are not promises a patient can keep because they require broad support. From an economic standpoint, most measures a government can make will not affect the economy much until usually much after the president leaves office

[Kjesse]

Obama campaigned on an inspirational message of change, and on that level, he failed. Sure in a campaign politicians overpromise, but in Obama's case its much more pronounced. He suggested he would do certain things, to use Kaavy's example, close Guantanamo. Then he gets into power, gets a few confidential briefings, and keeps it open.

He also stood behind drone strikes that have killed thousands of civilians. That is not the Obama that we were all excited about in 2008.

He delivered on health care but had to make compromises. That was tough but he got it through, though its flawed.

Sure congress blocks him on certain things, but he wholesale changed his position especially respecting how to handle the military, once he ascended to the Presidency. He used his executive powers sometimes in a manner opposite to what he campaigned on.

[ResAlien]

"sure Congress blocks him on certain things"

No, Congress blocked him on everything. The obstructionism he faced is unprecedented. There's a good reason this has been known as the do nothing Congress.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Drak

I suspect a fair number of republicans don't really know what they stand for.

Or republicans have jumped ship.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

"sure Congress blocks him on certain things"

No, Congress blocks him on everything. The obstructionism he faced is unprecedented in American history.

Since you said it, it must be true.

History suggests otherwise.

I said that, it must be true.

[Kjesse]

Here's some data that somewhat supports your argument though:

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/r...ism-by-numbers


EDIT: I see that's a declared left leaning site, so not that reliable. Its so hard to get unbiased data.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Since you said it, it must be true.

History suggests otherwise.

I said that, it must be true.

A likely biased source with a few examples of the obstructionism he faced.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/t...n-five-charts/