whats wrong with our team?

[Willi Plett]

A few or more players are divas who didn't want a coach who made them work hard and tried to have them be disciplined in their health and fitness etc away from the rink.

Now they got their "players coach" and are doing what they want on and off the ice.

Our "star" player admitted that he was gassed from the altitude and not spending time training here and being ready for the season.

We have a new coach with new systems some of which may or may not work. He can't begin to figure it out as the players won't even execute in practice.

These players will need to lose enough to want to do whatever it takes to win. Unless they never come to care about it since they make millions even to lose.

Why was it we traded Phaneuf for a bag of pucks and a new stick boy a few years back? And a couple others? It took time to recover but it was an improvement. Maybe in a year or two we will discover the same about some of these players or maybe they will find a way to compete and win. Only time will tell but if it is the former much suffering will we endure to watch it.

[DomeFoam]

I don't think Monahan is a top line centre. Sure he's put up 60 points but how much of that is a product of Gaudreau. Guy literally just glides around on the ice hoping the puck will land on his stick. There is no wow factor to his game whatsoever, and if you look at all the top centres around the league they all have something that makes them solid, unique players. His game is as bland as his personality.

We also can't expect Bennett to jump into an established top 6 role in his second full season and expect him to put up gaudy numbers. On any other team he'd still be relegated to third line duties learning what it takes to play centre in this league. I do think one day he will become our top line centre but right now I think expectations for him are way too high because everyone is just dying to see him overtake Monahan.

[CGY12]

Based on what I saw tonight...

Gulutzan
&
Dougie Hamilton

[Stormageddon]

I don't understand why this team is so emotionless. They're so ho hum about losses. Smash your stick and show you're angry at the very least. Why doesn't somebody throw a hit or start a fight. Particularly Gio, if he's going to take stupid penalties then he might as well fight someone so he can sit and not give the other team a pp.
This is the most concerning thing to me, they just don't care. They lose again and again and just mope off the ice. But at least they say all the right things, it's sure working so far.

[Poe969]

Not enough pregame ceremonies.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Stormageddon

I don't understand why this team is so emotionless. They're so ho hum about losses. Smash your stick and show you're angry at the very least. Why doesn't somebody throw a hit or start a fight. Particularly Gio, if he's going to take stupid penalties then he might as well fight someone so he can sit and not give the other team a pp.
This is the most concerning thing to me, they just don't care. They lose again and again and just mope off the ice. But at least they say all the right things, it's sure working so far.

That's where I think coaches need to look at themselves.

There was a rumour that some of the young players thought that Hartley was too much a meanie so Treliving brought in a "player's coach" in Gulutzan, and now those same players don't seem to care.

We need a coach that will make their lives miserable when they lose and will hold them accountable.

[Geeoff]

It would be nice if we didn't allow 6 goals every game. That would be a good start IMO.

[Erick Estrada]

I simply think that the team isn't as good as a lot of Flames fans think it is. I think they can be better than what they have currently demonstrated but when I look at this team on paper I don't see a playoff team. As we are seeing now if Gaudreau isn't firing on all cylinders this team doesn't have a lick of a chance competing with even the worst teams in the league.

[flambers]

Flames top players are getting out played....

Monahan and Johnny are off their game and look rusty.

Special Teams are really hurting the Flames....

[jeffmacrealtor]

For a team to be successful the first line has to consistently produce and the goaltending has to be good. Calgary's first line is not producing and their No. 1 goalie (Elliott) has not been good.
Until those two things happen Flames' losses will continue to pile up.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Have barely watched the team early this season, so this is largely an uneducated opinion.
Best players have been their worst players. That goes on D and F.
Lack of two key guys largely missing most of training camp coupled with just poor execution.
NO team will win when their best players are being badly outplayed consistently.

You're not wrong. But it all comes back to coaching.

Gio, for instance, was terrible last night. At the same time, he is still being forced to carry Engelland's ass on the penalty kill. I like Engelland, but he is what he is. And that means that even when Gio isn't taking dumb penalties out of frustration, he's having to not only do his own job, but try to compensate for Engelland on the PK and, when he is in the lineup, Wideman on the PP. that is one reason why our special teams are so abysmal.

Everyone is still blowing passes because nobody knows where anyone is expected to be. So while one can make an excuse that the top line was missing for pre-season, the fact remains that Monahan and Gaudreau have played together for two years. They know each other. If they are losing track of each other, it is because the coach is asking them to do entirely different things that clearly aren't working. Classic case of trying to fix what is not broken. Gulutzan's system has Gaudreau rushing into the zone with no support whatsoever. Pinching him off is trivially easy because the Gaudreau is being left with no options to move the puck.

For the rest of the lineup, part of the lack of cohesion is the fact that Gulutzan wasted the entire pre-season mixing lines and injecting players that were never going to be here right up to the last game. It wasn't until the season started that we really saw our lines. And then they, especially the defensive pairings, were an utter mess.

So far through six games, we have learned that Glen Gulutzan cannot coach at this level. Neither can Cameron, Gelinas or Sigalet. Honestly, the only game for the rest of the month that I feel we even have a hope in is the Ottawa game. The most likely outcome is that we end October at 2-7-1. And frankly, the season will already be over.

[Badgers Nose]

Almost all the hockey this season is bad. I blames the WCH for screwing up season prep.

[ricardodw]

Imagine what your attitude would be if you got $70,731,707 every day you showed up for work.

Now imagine what your attitude would have been if this happened when you were 22 years old and were guaranteed this for 6 years.

That is Dougie Hamilton's life.

How open to coaching would you be? By someone in the same business taking a year to make what you do in 5 work days.


Using Dougie Hamilton as an example but Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio, Frolik, Brouwer, Brodie Wideman, Versteeg,Stajan, Backlund, Engelland are all in a position where most people would not take a lot of BS from their "boss".


Adding to this you had a co-worker decides to hold out who gets special treatment.

[Methanolic]

The games are Rigged! it's a disaster! ok?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Imagine what your attitude would be if you got $70,731,707 every day you showed up for work.

Now imagine what your attitude would have been if this happened when you were 22 years old and were guaranteed this for 6 years.

That is Dougie Hamilton's life.

How open to coaching would you be? By someone in the same business taking a year to make what you do in 5 work days.


Using Dougie Hamilton as an example but Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio, Frolik, Brouwer, Brodie Wideman, Versteeg,Stajan, Backlund, Engelland are all in a position where most people would not take a lot of BS from their "boss".


Adding to this you had a co-worker decides to hold out who gets special treatment.

So why do other highly paid players perform well?

[Drak]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Imagine what your attitude would be if you got $70,731,707 every day you showed up for work.

Now imagine what your attitude would have been if this happened when you were 22 years old and were guaranteed this for 6 years.

That is Dougie Hamilton's life.

How open to coaching would you be? By someone in the same business taking a year to make what you do in 5 work days.


Using Dougie Hamilton as an example but Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio, Frolik, Brouwer, Brodie Wideman, Versteeg,Stajan, Backlund, Engelland are all in a position where most people would not take a lot of BS from their "boss".


Adding to this you had a co-worker decides to hold out who gets special treatment.

So getting paid big bucks = substandard performance because why bother with all that money they're making? So how come this doesn't apply to other teams?

[puckedoff]

It's time.

[heep223]

To anybody who is saying or insinuating that the players aren't trying hard, you are completely out to lunch.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by heep223

To anybody who is saying or insinuating that the players aren't trying hard, you are completely out to lunch.

It's kind of a silly thing to say.

[Husky]

Can win games if your top line doesnt show up and team has poor special teams.