The 2016 US American Election Thread

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Now we know how she won! Secret teleprompter!

[CaptainCrunch]

I might be stupid but what am I looking at here?

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Trump claiming on twitter Clinton was given the debate questions.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...17930801926148

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

As for him not accepting the results. What's he gonna do? He can demand recounts, that's about it. Or is he going to go with every gun nuts dream scenario of having militia's rise up against a corrupt government? I guess we've always wanted to see fat yahoo's with automatic weapons against trained infantry backed by armor and air support.

I don't want to see it. They're going to take hostages. They're going to do terrible things to minorities, probably. And yeah, all he has to do is stand on the stage on election night and say "this election was stolen from us by a criminal, who we can't accept as our president", and all these things will happen.

Not to draw a parallel beyond the numbers, but people often point out how ISIS is really not a large group of people - numbering in the thousands, rather than millions. Well, how many crazy Trump supporters with guns do you think it'll take to cause complete and utter chaos in the USA? Not that many.

Granted, this is a worst case scenario and I think it's more likely that cooler heads prevail. But he's still creating the potential for this and then throwing gas on the fire. It's completely unamerican, and as Clinton said, horrifying. And it all appears to be for the sake of his ego, so that he can save face when he does lose and protect his brand. The fact that he's willing to create an environment that very easily could lead to innocent deaths for his own personal gain is... what's the phrase I'm looking for... right, a "total disaster".

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Holy ####, did you just try to spin someone being attacked for wearing a Trump hat and making political statements his fellow students didn't like?

Are... are you drunk this time?

Listen, you don't know what the guy said and I don't know what the guy said, but the fact that he got someone to the point of getting choked out likely meant he pushed the envelope past the point of civility on his part. His own defense clearly states he was being inflammatory with his rhetoric. Like it or not, some people don't take kindly to stuff like that. Just in case you are thinking of traveling to a large city in my fair country I highly discourage you from going into a predominantly black neighborhood and using inflammatory language about their color. You won't like the outcome. Same if you go into a Hispanic neighborhood and ask everyone where their taco truck is. Same if you go into a poor white neighborhood and ask them all how many of them are sleeping with their own sister. There are lines that people will immediately react to, and the reaction may not be positive. The response you get is likely related to rhetoric you employ.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

That seems like a lot of wasted effort responding to Illiminaughty.

I just bypassed his essay of cray. Not worth reading let alone responding to.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I might be stupid but what am I looking at here?

Sorry I realized that after I posted that it didn't include all what I thought it did. The shiny part of Clinton's lectern is supposedly a secret teleprompter while Trump doesn't get one.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by New Era

Listen, you don't know what the guy said and I don't know what the guy said, but the fact that he got someone to the point of getting choked out likely meant he pushed the envelope past the point of civility on his part. His own defense clearly states he was being inflammatory with his rhetoric. Like it or not, some people don't take kindly to stuff like that. Just in case you are thinking of traveling to a large city in my fair country I highly discourage you from going into a predominantly black neighborhood and using inflammatory language about their color. You won't like the outcome. Same if you go into a Hispanic neighborhood and ask everyone where their taco truck is. Same if you go into a poor white neighborhood and ask them all how many of them are sleeping with their own sister. There are lines that people will immediately react to, and the reaction may not be positive. The response you get is likely related to rhetoric you employ.

Yeah, and if you wear a short skirt and walk around in the wrong part of town, you get what's coming to you... have I got that right?

Look in the mirror for a second here. Seriously. This is beyond your usual brand of "I can't believe this guy teaches kids".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Jesus F Christ, I'm glad I missed that debate for the most part. I was out coaching football and I realized that Trump talks exactly like a petulant 14 year old.

His little interruptions with "wrong" and "My turn" and all of that stuff. His bluster, his completely making up things on the fly.

Calling people bad Ombres, the whole thing was teenage bluster.

As for him not accepting the results. What's he gonna do? He can demand recounts, that's about it. Or is he going to go with every gun nuts dream scenario of having militia's rise up against a corrupt government? I guess we've always wanted to see fat yahoo's with automatic weapons against trained infantry backed by armor and air support.

This election has been ridiculous.

the conspiracy theorist in me keeps thinking that Trump is intentionally throwing this thing because he has no interest in actually being president for 4 years but wants to live off of and use the whole I've been screwed argument. The way he's pissed off every minority, and woman and immigrants is breathtaking in either its brilliance or stupidity. His admission last night that he would appoint judges that would strike down Roe vs Wade was either an unbelievable blunder, or scintillating brilliant in a way that would guarantee that not one woman would vote for him.

Like I said before, I don't trust or believe that Hillary is a good presidential candidate. But at the same time, I'm guessing in the States neither of the political parties believes that small C conservatives like me exist as both sides exist on the far sides of the spectrum from me.

I don't really know what he can do except initiate long and lengthy legal processes that will likely fail, but will at least continue the witch hunt and make it difficult for Clinton to do her job. Recall his birther crusade after Obama won. And most importantly, he will keep getting the attention he craves. I expect he will do everything he can to try and make her a one-and-done president.

I supposed he could try to incite civil unrest or disobedience, but I doubt most supporters have the courage of their convictions. Most of them probably prefer to pretend they are victims than strive for actual change that requires more than surfing conspiracy websites.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't want to see it. They're going to take hostages. They're going to do terrible things to minorities, probably. And yeah, all he has to do is stand on the stage on election night and say "this election was stolen from us by a criminal, who we can't accept as our president", and all these things will happen.

Not to draw a parallel beyond the numbers, but people often point out how ISIS is really not a large group of people - numbering in the thousands, rather than millions. Well, how many crazy Trump supporters with guns do you think it'll take to cause complete and utter chaos in the USA? Not that many.

Granted, this is a worst case scenario and I think it's more likely that cooler heads prevail. But he's still creating the potential for this and then throwing gas on the fire. It's completely unamerican, and as Clinton said, horrifying. And it all appears to be for the sake of his ego, so that he can save face when he does lose and protect his brand. The fact that he's willing to create an environment that very easily could lead to innocent deaths for his own personal gain is... what's the phrase I'm looking for... right, a "total disaster".

I think we're making a large assumptive jump here. I have my doubt that Militia's are going to rise up en-masse, I read a study on them, and they're mindset is now is not the right time, we're not ready.

We might get some real extremists dummy group that takes it to the "Bridge". What I doubt seeing Trump doing is egging these people on hard, but what I do see him doing is saying that while the results are in, he has to live by them but not like it.

But I don't know what I'm talking about because this whole thing has been stupid.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

the conspiracy theorist in me keeps thinking that Trump is intentionally throwing this thing because he has no interest in actually being president for 4 years but wants to live off of and use the whole I've been screwed argument.

Yeah, I think that the refusal to accept the results isn't just his usual inability to acknowledge his own failure here, it's birtherism 2.0. He can spend the next 4 (possibly 8) years investigating Hillary, sending private detectives to Benghazi, telling everyone he's on the verge of revealing a very big secret on his new online news network... That's why he wasn't just questioning the possibility of fraud, but instead questioning Clinton's very eligibility. He gets to create a fictional narrative of himself as the rightful president, and he can question everything that Hillary does through the context of a fraud.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't really know what he can do except initiate long and lengthy legal processes that will likely fail, but will at least continue the witch hunt and make it difficult for Clinton to do her job. Recall his birther crusade after Obama won. And most importantly, he will keep getting the attention he craves. I expect he will do everything he can to try and make her a one-and-done president.

I supposed he could try to incite civil unrest or disobedience, but I doubt most supporters have the courage of their convictions. Most of them probably prefer to pretend they are victims than strive for actual change that requires more than surfing conspiracy websites.

there's not much that he can challenge if the election is an overwhelming slaughter. I guess he could challenge at a federal court level, but where's the proof of voter fraud or intimidation that he can take to and prove in court, and is he going to spend the millions to put up that challenge? I doubt it, he's probably looking at the monetary and human costs now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I might be stupid but what am I looking at here?

The shiney part of her lectern is a secret teleprompter!

[troutman]

more #trumpbookreport

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...0b994d4c46953?

Lady Macbeth. Nasty woman. Blood coming out of her wherever. #TrumpBookReport

Charlotte's Web ...Spider dies at the end... no stamina. What a loser. #TrumpBookReport

Pinocchio? He's no puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet! #TrumpBookReport

[CaptainCrunch]

If he wants to be awesome, if he loses to Hillary, he can stand up at a podium with a clip board look angrily at the camera and say

[octothorp]

I also think he may have just handed the Democrats the house. Amongst his voters (particularly in non swing states but where there might still be important house races), his supporters lose their motivation to vote in a rigged system. Other republicans are put in the spotlight about repudiating him again, and those that do will be labelled as in on the con, and further lose support amongst his supporters. Those that don't leave themselves open to targetting from Democrats as supporting an autocrat.

Meanwhile, Clinton gets this gift of a powerful rallying cry of an assault on the core of democracy: it's no longer just enough to win, her supporters are called on to help her win beyond any shadow of a doubt. Every vote in every state is a rejection of Trump's assault on democracy.

I thought before Clinton needed to tie the Republican party to Trump more than she did in last night's debate. But this might work just as well for her.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't want to see it. They're going to take hostages. They're going to do terrible things to minorities, probably. And yeah, all he has to do is stand on the stage on election night and say "this election was stolen from us by a criminal, who we can't accept as our president", and all these things will happen.

Not to draw a parallel beyond the numbers, but people often point out how ISIS is really not a large group of people - numbering in the thousands, rather than millions. Well, how many crazy Trump supporters with guns do you think it'll take to cause complete and utter chaos in the USA? Not that many.

Granted, this is a worst case scenario and I think it's more likely that cooler heads prevail. But he's still creating the potential for this and then throwing gas on the fire. It's completely unamerican, and as Clinton said, horrifying. And it all appears to be for the sake of his ego, so that he can save face when he does lose and protect his brand. The fact that he's willing to create an environment that very easily could lead to innocent deaths for his own personal gain is... what's the phrase I'm looking for... right, a "total disaster".

I agree, cooler heads will prevail. The Oregon militia utterly failed in the occupation of the wildlife refuge.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, but revealing in its own right. For example, leaving aside the "he had it coming" tenor of his summary of the incident at U of C, apparently New Era thinks that it's "the PC environment that has been established over the years" that allows Illuminaughty to express his addle-minded view of the world, rather than the foundational principle underlying society for about three centuries that a marketplace of ideas is a good thing, even if some people sell crappy merchandise.

Meanwhile, the spiel about how "liberal" was made into a dirty word and how liberals were looked down upon as immoral evil degenerates, treated as pariahs while our concerns and world view were marginalized for decades might as well have been followed with, "and now, it's our turn."

It's really a wonder that there's so much idiocy on American college campuses these days.

And here is the regressive left that this same poster likes to complain about. You can't drop the hammer on these guys as you are tipping your hand as a liberal with some spine. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only thing that matters is you comply with Corsi's lawyerly point of view. If you don't, you're a problem.

[Kybosh]

Those #TrumpBookReports are just fantastic. Probably my favourite thing to come from this election cycle so far.

[Plett25]

Trump is a moron.

All he needed to do was say "Of course I will accept the results of the election. America is the best country and best democracy in the world and we have the best elections. Believe me."

If America wound up in a 2000 type situation where confusing ballots, hanging chads and razor thin margins determined the election, he could still do everything Gore did in 2000. And more.