The Whoas! of Dougie Hamilton

[wooohooo]

Can we get a hero chart so I can know or not know how he compares to other players?

[FlameZilla]

More like the 'Whoa!'s of Dougie Hamilton.

https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/s...46604593405952

Dougie is putting up the 7th best Corsi differentials so far this season.

By contrast, Gio is 9th worst: https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/s...46853441425408

Honestly, it's way too early to be pointing fingers at individual players (other than Grossmann of course, because OBVIOUSLY). New coach, new system, rusty superstar, unexpectedly shaky starting goalie. They'll hit their stride and I think they'll have a good season... eventually.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Yes your right, he has earned every penny of his contract so far... while were at it, lets re sign stajan to a multi year contract.

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that he scored 43 points last year as a 22 year old defenseman in the best league in the world.

How about you tell me why you don't think he's earned his contract? Because he had a bad 20 games last year? Is that it? You've stated your position but I don't think you really have any substance to back it up.

Seriously, did some of you expect a Norris winner? Is it just me or is his contract about exactly where it should be for a defenseman of his caliber? He's not making $7.5mil/year. He's not even making $6mil. Hamilton is a very good #3 defenseman and it's not out of the realm of possibility to think he could become a very good #2 defenseman.

The Hamilton criticism is ridiculous. Very few defenseman his age even play in the NHL, let alone put up the numbers he does. Anyone who watched Hamilton when he was in Boston knew what we were getting. There's nothing to be upset or disappointed with.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

Jesus who the hell cares. You should feel privileged to being my very first blocked user.

No kidding reminds me of OK grandpa Simpson

ONE TRICK IS TO TELL THEM STORIES THAT DON'T GO ANYWHERE. LIKE THE TIME I CAUGHT THE FERRY OVER TO SHELBYVILLE. I NEEDED A NEW HEEL FOR MY SHOE, SO I DECIDED TO GO TO MORGANVILLE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY CALLED SHELBYVILLE IN THOSE DAYS.WHICH WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME. NOW, TO TAKE THE FERRY COSTS A NICKEL. AND IN THOSE DAYS NICKELS HAD PICTURES OF BUMBLEBEES ON THEM.
"GIVE ME FIVE BEES FOR A QUARTER," YOU'D SAY.NOW, WHERE WERE WE? OH, YEAH.THE IMPORTANT THING WAS THAT I HAD AN ONION ON MY BELT, WHICH WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME.THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHITE ONIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAR.THE ONLY THING YOU COULD GET WAS THOSE BIG, YELLOW ONES.

[itsmagic]

Originally Posted by Robo

No kidding reminds me of OK grandpa Simpson

ONE TRICK IS TO TELL THEM STORIES THAT DON'T GO ANYWHERE. LIKE THE TIME I CAUGHT THE FERRY OVER TO SHELBYVILLE. I NEEDED A NEW HEEL FOR MY SHOE, SO I DECIDED TO GO TO MORGANVILLE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY CALLED SHELBYVILLE IN THOSE DAYS.WHICH WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME. NOW, TO TAKE THE FERRY COSTS A NICKEL. AND IN THOSE DAYS NICKELS HAD PICTURES OF BUMBLEBEES ON THEM.
"GIVE ME FIVE BEES FOR A QUARTER," YOU'D SAY.NOW, WHERE WERE WE? OH, YEAH.THE IMPORTANT THING WAS THAT I HAD AN ONION ON MY BELT, WHICH WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME.THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHITE ONIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAR.THE ONLY THING YOU COULD GET WAS THOSE BIG, YELLOW ONES.

Good thing I don't care a whit...LOL

[Roof-Daddy]

Lol what causes these clowns to come out of hibernation?

[Ashasx]

that one has been sleeping for a while

[Jetfire]

Ugh, we were literally just freed from Gaudreauvertime and now itsmagic shows up and is just as crazy. Welcome to the block list.

[Max Cow Disease]

I've never understood this dislike of Hamilton by some posters. In my eyes, his salary is commensurate with his performance, especially considering his age and the fact that there's still upside there. As others have said, 23 is still quite young for most D-men in the NHL and I still consider us lucky to have him in the fold, even if he still has some learning to do.

[djsFlames]

Probably another slow start. But tell me, who on the Flames isn't having one? Aside from 2 or 3 players.

He's what, 3 years younger than Brodie? 3 years ago Brodie was decent, NHL caliber, but it wasn't until 24 or 25 that he really took off. I don't now if we should be expecting too, too much out of Hamilton yet.

Dougie was great for the last 60 games last season. Played like an ideal 2nd pairing guy. I think what is mistaken is people hyping him up to be a future #1 or #2, which I think kind of doomed him to get criticized a bit eventually, because I don't see his ceiling as quite that lofty. I don't think he has the grit or physicality to take out bodies when it's needed, but he has the toolbox to be a top end guy for any team's second pairing and probably will score 50+ more than once in his career. There's always a use for a defenseman like that in the NHL.

I'm reserving judgement until the end of this season for Dougie. If he shows improvements in his all around game while picking it up offensively like he did last season then it'll give me hope that he can solidify himself as a high-end #3 in the league, which is my hope for him.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that he scored 43 points last year as a 22 year old defenseman in the best league in the world.

How about you tell me why you don't think he's earned his contract? Because he had a bad 20 games last year? Is that it? You've stated your position but I don't think you really have any substance to back it up.

Seriously, did some of you expect a Norris winner? Is it just me or is his contract about exactly where it should be for a defenseman of his caliber? He's not making $7.5mil/year. He's not even making $6mil. Hamilton is a very good #3 defenseman and it's not out of the realm of possibility to think he could become a very good #2 defenseman.

The Hamilton criticism is ridiculous. Very few defenseman his age even play in the NHL, let alone put up the numbers he does. Anyone who watched Hamilton when he was in Boston knew what we were getting. There's nothing to be upset or disappointed with.

enough with the crap that Hamilton is being paid what he is worth.

He is tied at 18-21 of the highest paid d-men in a 30 team league.

There are no Defensemen being paid for RFA years ahead of him. He is the Highest paid D-man in the league with RFA years in their contracts.


The #61 defenseman salary cap this season is 4.25. That is what the absolute best #3 d-man in the league should be getting paid.

It seems that the Flames have to paid a premium of at least 1.5M-2M for Hamilton


Hamilton's contract is so incredibly bad for what he has delivered to date it has upset the Flames structure.... Gaudreau/Gio are only geting paid 1M more than him!!! Monahan is only getting paid 600K more.


Nobody could possibly argue that Hamilton is anywhere close to the quality of player as Gio/Gaudreau or Monahan.

He is making Engelland's 2.9M look like a good contract.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Zzzzzzzzzzz.

[DuffMan]

I have him in my pool, disappointed so far.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He is tied at 18-21 of the highest paid d-men in a 30 team league.

And he was 22nd in scoring last year among defenseman - so that seems to be a fit.

I actually haven't minded his game this season.

Jokipakka and him have looked good as a pairing. Needs to tone down on the stupid penalties but some of that has been him trying to be more physical (shoving McDavid into the crossbar for example).

Still lots of room for improvement, and he hasn't been a game breaker, but I still am fine with the contract and him on the team.

Brodie and Giordano have been more of an issue this year with their play through 3 games IMO.

[Poe969]

I love it, 3 games in and Hamilton must be garbage because he hasn't scored a bunch of points... After 3 games, and they're 3 games that most of us would want to forget, he is one of the best D on the team. Kevin has played well and that's great but it's still only 3 games. If you're going to say that he's overpaid right now because of those 3 games then I'm guessing you think Johnny is waaaay over paid and you'd probably like to see the team trade him for Antoine Roussel since he has 2 points in 2 games and only makes 2 mil.

People really shouldn't be complaining about individual players right now because the team as a whole has collectively played like crap. Every year some teams falter at the start, get over it and stop being so dramatic

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

enough with the crap that hamilton is being paid what he is worth.

He is tied at 18-21 of the highest paid d-men in a 30 team league.

There are no defensemen being paid for rfa years ahead of him. He is the highest paid d-man in the league with rfa years in their contracts.


The #61 defenseman salary cap this season is 4.25. That is what the absolute best #3 d-man in the league should be getting paid.

It seems that the flames have to paid a premium of at least 1.5m-2m for hamilton


hamilton's contract is so incredibly bad for what he has delivered to date it has upset the flames structure.... Gaudreau/gio are only geting paid 1m more than him!!! Monahan is only getting paid 600k more.


Nobody could possibly argue that hamilton is anywhere close to the quality of player as gio/gaudreau or monahan.

He is making engelland's 2.9m look like a good contract.

x2

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I love it, 3 games in and Hamilton must be garbage because he hasn't scored a bunch of points... After 3 games, and they're 3 games that most of us would want to forget, he is one of the best D on the team. Kevin has played well and that's great but it's still only 3 games. If you're going to say that he's overpaid right now because of those 3 games then I'm guessing you think Johnny is waaaay over paid and you'd probably like to see the team trade him for Antoine Roussel since he has 2 points in 2 games and only makes 2 mil.

People really shouldn't be complaining about individual players right now because the team as a whole has collectively played like crap. Every year some teams falter at the start, get over it and stop being so dramatic

He isnt garbage just no wherw worth his contract. If he was getting paid 2 million this year i would be happy with his play. Quit applauding mediocrity.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

He isnt garbage just no wherw worth his contract. If he was getting paid 2 million this year i would be happy with his play. Quit applauding mediocrity.

Enough of these weak feeble excuses for being unhappy with Hamilton.

Good players are good players regardless of what they're getting paid. Is Hamilton overpaid? Probably. Will he be underpaid by the time his contract is in the back half? That's the plan.

He's been one of the better defencemen on the Flames over the last three games. It's not saying much, but singling him out is dumb.

[FlamesAddiction]

Like I said, I am not quite sold on Hamilton either, but when I look at the list of defensemen making close to what he does, there are a lot worse contracts out there.

[ZedMan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are no Defensemen being paid for RFA years ahead of him. He is the Highest paid D-man in the league with RFA years in their contracts.

Well you are technically correct because Aaron Ekblad is on the last year of his ELC, but he has already signed a contract where he will be paid 7.5M over his RFA years.