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AcGold · 10-15-2016, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

There's no chemistry between Versteeg and his line mates. It was a desperation move by BT to find a winger for that line that doesn't look good so far. Further to that Versteeg has never been a top line winger and should be playing on the bottom 6 in a defensive role.

That's not a logical counterpoint as it doesn't actually assess the argument. Ragging on the best player on the line so far and saying he shouldn't be there simply does not make sense. How about we draw radical conclusions when he's performing worse than his linemates.

automaton 3 · 10-15-2016, 11:44 PM

With a skilled RW a clear need, surely some more offense minded PTOs could have been found than wasting time with Higgins and Korpikoski...?

Manhattanboy · 10-15-2016, 11:44 PM

GG should start to think about updating his CV.

Da_Chief · 10-15-2016, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Obvious Gulutzan errors:
1 defensive pairings in game 1
2 pulling goalie too early in game 2
3 shootout selection in game 3
Not an NHL coach there BT.

Versteeg is a good shootout card. Guarantee a lot would be complaining if we lost and one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett didn't shoot. So, who would have take the shots?

kn · 10-15-2016, 11:45 PM

Tarasenko 3GP 3G-2A-5PTS +1
Monahan 3GP 1G-0A-1PTS -3
Gaudreau 3GP 0G-1A-1PTS -4

We look outmatched against the Oilers and Canucks. I can't wait until we play contenders. <sigh> It's only three games, right?

Dion · 10-15-2016, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

A long enough time now? Three seasons ago we didn't have a first line centre, a second line centre, we had 1 top 6 winger at best.

Since that time we have either drafted, developed or acquired: 2 top 6 centres, 2 top 6 wingers, seem to have the makings of another top 6 winger in Tkachuck.

I agree we are missing a 1st line right wing. But 3 years ago this was a burnt to ground rebuild with maybe 1 legit top 6 forward on the roster. As it sits today there are at least 4, and they are doing it the right way. Did you really think it be that easy and quick to fill out the top 6 on a complete fresh start rebuild?

Porier has been a huge disappointment and only Klimchuk seems to be close. Compare that to our d men prospects on the farm and i'm willing to bet a few of them make this team before any our wingers.

TheScorpion · 10-15-2016, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Versteeg is a good shootout card. Guarantee a lot would be complaining if we lost and one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett didn't shoot. So, who would have take the shots?

Versteeg is a terrible shootout card. He hasn't scored in five years.

Da_Chief · 10-15-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

GG should start to think about updating his CV.

Ownership isn't about to pay 2 guys not to coach this team. GG will get at least this year to install his system. Quit beating the dead horse.

IntenseFan · 10-15-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

A long enough time now? Three seasons ago we didn't have a first line centre, a second line centre, we had 1 top 6 winger at best.

Since that time we have either drafted, developed or acquired: 2 top 6 centres, 2 top 6 wingers, seem to have the makings of another top 6 winger in Tkachuck.

I agree we are missing a 1st line right wing. But 3 years ago this was a burnt to ground rebuild with maybe 1 legit top 6 forward on the roster. As it sits today there are at least 4, and they are doing it the right way. Did you really think it be that easy and quick to fill out the top 6 on a complete fresh start rebuild?

3 years is a decent amount of time. Don't mistake me, if you read some of my other posts I do think this rebuild could take a long time and may not even work. But what disturbs me the most is not merely the fact that we have no 1st line RW right now (which again is not easy), but that we neglected that position in the rebuild and have no real prospects there either.

Dion · 10-15-2016, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AcGold

That's not a logical counterpoint as it doesn't actually assess the argument. Ragging on the best player on the line so far and saying he shouldn't be there simply does not make sense. How about we draw radical conclusions when he's performing worse than his linemates.

Has he done anything to make Gaudreau and Monahan better?

Just because he might be playing well doesn't automaticly make him a fit for the top line.

Manhattanboy · 10-15-2016, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Ownership isn't about to 2 guys not to coach this team. GG will get at least this year to install his system. Quit beating the dead horse.

Sure.

automaton 3 · 10-15-2016, 11:48 PM

Monahan was a questionable shootout choice too...he is clearly not 100%.

Brouwer scored a beauty on the breakaway, should have given him a shot.

AcGold · 10-15-2016, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

Has he done anything to make Gaudreau and Monahan better?

Is that the standard for analysis now? If you don't make your terrible teammates better you shouldn't be on the line?

Dion · 10-15-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Ownership isn't about to 2 guys not to coach this team. GG will get at least this year to install his system. Quit beating the dead horse.

At the expense of a possible non playoff spot.

Inferno · 10-15-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Bob should've gotten another year with competent goaltending. I feel like he was let go too soon just so Brad could have "his guy" and used the disappointing season (which was mainly due to shoddy goaltending) as an excuse to let Hartley go.

Yep, I didn't like the firing and wasn't impressed with the replacement but hoped for the best. It's looking like my initial thoughts were right. He looks way over his head.

Strange Brew · 10-15-2016, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

Fun fact: Versteeg is 2/17 in the past 6 seasons.

Oh and he hasn't scored since 2011.

For a management team that prides themselves on preparation and hard work, I certainly hope they were aware of this.

Huntingwhale · 10-15-2016, 11:52 PM

Johnson played a spectacular game. The best goaltending performance in a while from a Flames' goalie. Deer Ridge represent!

Overall I thought it was a decent game. The goal the Swede line scored to tie it up was a pretty sick passing play. The Sedins are easily the best cyclers in the NHL and it showed tonight.

Gaudreau had his chances, but chalk it up to bad luck tonight.

It sucks losing to both Edmonton and Vancouver.

combustiblefuel · 10-15-2016, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Versteeg is a good shootout card. Guarantee a lot would be complaining if we lost and one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett didn't shoot. So, who would have take the shots?

3 forb17 I believe?

Last shootout goal was in 2011.

TheScorpion · 10-15-2016, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AcGold

Is that the standard for analysis now? If you don't make your terrible teammates better you shouldn't be on the line?

Did you just call Gaudreau and Monahan terrible?

Da_Chief · 10-15-2016, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Versteeg is a terrible shootout card. He hasn't scored in five years.

You're right. Thought someone said he was good.

The top 3 supposed offensive stars were sent out and they all failed. Can't blame the coach for that.

I didn't like him trying to change everything though. Last year, starting with 2 D and C and then getting Johnny out there on the first change worked in the SO. It wasn't broken, so keep using it. Instead, he went 2 forward and a D and they didn't create a single opportunity in the OT.