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Old 10-15-2016, 11:19 AM   #2461
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Agreed. The spinelessness and lack of principle show by Ryan, Cruz, Christie, Giuliani, and many other Republicans should doom or cap their future careers.

I hope, despite all the Trump absurdity, President Clinton doesn't dismiss the anger of his supporters however. Their grievances are poorly articulated and their rage is often misdirected, but their situation is deteriorating, and politics as usual in the US will only continue that nation's decline (insofar as the lower-middle class is concerned). She needs to show some leadership to prevent this, and I'm not sure she's the least bit inclined towards such changes.
Yeah, I agree this is an issue, but I don't think it's limited to Clinton; she can propose all the changes she wants to help the disadvantaged. It won't matter if congress decides to block all of those measures and then blame Clinton for the lack of progress. A clear message sent to congress that American people won't stand for obstructionism would count for a lot, but any message is going to be lost this time around as it's conflated with 'they just didn't like our presidential candidate.'

So realistically, what can you do as Clinton to address these grievances within the power of the executive branch? (I ask this non-rhetorically, as I certainly don't know the answer.)
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Video of Trump: "We should take a drug test" before debates, because "I don't know what's going on" with Clinton.

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/stat...36368196194305

EDIT: Jeff Sessions: “They are attempting to rig this election"
he's completely lost it. Going to be a very long three and a half weeks.
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Video of Trump: "We should take a drug test" before debates, because "I don't know what's going on" with Clinton.

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/stat...36368196194305

EDIT: Jeff Sessions: “They are attempting to rig this election"
Has anyone in human history done more projecting than Donny Montana?
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This is getting a little out of control now. An elected Sheriff wanting violent uprising. Nice.

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I wonder if violence prevails, will Trump be arrested for inciting it?
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Jesus, these people are scary. There's no doubt we're going to see some violence erupt on Nov. 8th with these insane #######s running around. Law enforcement will have their work cut out for them for sure. This whole thing just saddens me. People shouldn't have to fear for their well-being when they go to their local polling station.
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Yeah, I agree this is an issue, but I don't think it's limited to Clinton; she can propose all the changes she wants to help the disadvantaged. It won't matter if congress decides to block all of those measures and then blame Clinton for the lack of progress. A clear message sent to congress that American people won't stand for obstructionism would count for a lot, but any message is going to be lost this time around as it's conflated with 'they just didn't like our presidential candidate.'

So realistically, what can you do as Clinton to address these grievances within the power of the executive branch? (I ask this non-rhetorically, as I certainly don't know the answer.)
I think a big part of what she can do is change the national conversation to, at a minimum, make "socialism" something other than an expletive in their political discourse. Just talking about ideas like free education, forgiving student debt, increasing minimum wages, can make these ideas more palatable to the American electorate.

Basically, she needs to seed the national consciousness with ideas that will allow money and opportunity to flow back to those who need it. She also needs to acknowledge the plight of the lower middle class and middle America generally, and not just in canned phrases - she actually needs to listen to them, at least with respect to their economic concerns.

Many Trump supporters have wacky, ill-informed ideas about, well, about just about everything, but they're not wrong in believing that their standard of living is deteriorating and their opportunities - and their children's opportunities - dried up and drifted away long ago, and nothing their government is doing is going to help them. Moreover, many lack the basic education they need to understand what's happening to them and what might help them, so we see an emotional lashing out instead.

This is why I see America's future as a choice between two revolutions. You can have a political revolution - some might say a socialist revolution - in the Bernie Sanders mould, led by people who are generally educated but lack opportunity (the middle to upper middle class, generally). Or, you can have an actual guns and ammo revolution in the Donald Trump mould, led by people who generally aren't educated but lack opportunity, and have rage to spare.

The trick for Hillary will be change the conversation so that those in the latter camp understand what is needed to help them and they join the political revolution, and those in the former camp don't despair and start putting down their lattes (which they can't afford anyway) and picking up pitchforks. She then needs to lead on policies that will break down barriers to migration between the classes, and that stop the flow of money to corporations and the wealthy from public coffers and the moth-eaten wallets of the middle class.

The US is all about being a land of opportunity: the American Dream. She needs to lead in developing opportunities for Americans who have none, rather than just giving the nation palliative care as the personal circumstances of its majority deteriorate. Basically, even if she can't actually do anything, through her leadership she can at least change where Americans set their sights, so that they have something to strive for, and understand why they should strive for it.
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So quite awhile ago, I booked a non-refundable weekend in LA for November 11. Do I still go?
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This is the kind of message that should be flooding out of republican leadership, not the lone voice in the forest:

Freedom-loving Americans repudiate anybody who says they want to make lawful voters "a little bit nervous" at polls

https://twitter.com/BenSasse/status/787332845781987328
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Jesus, these people are scary. There's no doubt we're going to see some violence erupt on Nov. 8th with these insane #######s running around. Law enforcement will have their work cut out for them for sure. This whole thing just saddens me. People shouldn't have to fear for their well-being when they go to their local polling station.
I find it sad that he brags about racial profiling like it's a good thing.

Never mind the fact that both Mexicans and Syrians come in all colours. What he really means is just people with darker skin tones.
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Good points on what Clinton should be doing in the 3rd debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...fae_story.html

Fox's coverage of the Podesta emails has been terrible though so I expect Wallace to spend a large amount of time on those. I hope he's much better prepared than his network has been (taking things out of context, calling routine things shocking, etc).
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:55 PM   #2473
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I find it sad that he brags about racial profiling like it's a good thing.

Never mind the fact that both Mexicans and Syrians come in all colours. What he really means is just people with darker skin tones.
Don't forget "people who can't speak American".

How does a guy live for 61 years and not even know what language he speaks?
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So quite awhile ago, I booked a non-refundable weekend in LA for November 11. Do I still go?
Of course! LA is a fun place to visit. California is a democratic stronghold, so not too many Trump supporters down there. With Clinton basically a lock for president at this point, I'm sure the general public down there will be in good spirits on Nov 11th. The Five Thirty Eight electoral map currently shows California as 99% blue.
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I think I remember reading this back then, but might be more relevant now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...op-in-trouble/
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My wife said on CBC they were saying Trump is ahead in polling. That can't be correct. Doesn't jive with other polls. She must have misheard.
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My wife said on CBC they were saying Trump is ahead in polling. That can't be correct. Doesn't jive with other polls. She must have misheard.
yeah no chance, Clinton by a mile. Heck FOX News Poll has Hillary up by 7

That said I think the media and comedians should start toning it down a bit. There is a risk of annoying people by sounding too 'uppity'. if that's a word.
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So quite awhile ago, I booked a non-refundable weekend in LA for November 11. Do I still go?
I'm in Dallas the week before the election so, I'm really hoping for nothing crazy.
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My wife said on CBC they were saying Trump is ahead in polling. That can't be correct. Doesn't jive with other polls. She must have misheard.
They might have been talking about a particular state? Or if it's national polling, the Rasmussen poll has a pretty strong republican house effect and the most recent one does show Trump up (538 puts that poll at tied after they adjust it for its house effect).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...se_watch_oct14

To see a list of all the polls 538 considers reputable (doesn't have to be balanced, they include and try to account for bias, just has to not be flawed) has a good page, you can sort the polls by date:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ational-polls/
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My wife said on CBC they were saying Trump is ahead in polling. That can't be correct. Doesn't jive with other polls. She must have misheard.
Maybe they were talking Rasmussen or the LA Times, both of which are generally considered to skew far right of the rest.

I detest reporting on individual polls when large samples of polls exist.
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