[Trade] Yakupov to St. Louis for conditional 3rd + Zach Pochiro

[Machiavelli]

Keep it up, Yak!

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by cral12

Yak with 1 G, 1 A tonight in 8.5 min TOI

Did he do his Fleury-esque power slide across the ice again?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Did he do his Fleury-esque power slide across the ice again?

No but he did jump onto the glass like he won the Stanley Cup.

But to be fair I think he's still celebrating getting traded from the Oilers.

[dash_pinched]

The GWG that Yak assisted on was scored by former Oiler Magnus Paajarvi.

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[Firebot]

[Calgary4LIfe]

I know I will be following Yakupov with interest. If there is one thing that I feel I could always say about him, it is that he tried hard. I always noticed Hall and Eberle coasting back on defence, and noticed Yakupov often skating back hard.

Did everything come off the rails with all the poor coaching, and coaches trying to make an example of him since they weren't willing to get into it with Hall and Eberle? Did he just get rattled and lose it, or does he not have any IQ?

Oilers have consistently been terrible on defence. Not just with their defencemen, but with their overall team defense structure. I could never tell if the team just refused to buy in, poorly executed whatever plan there was, or if the system was a poor one (well, swarm under Eakins was pretty funny).

I either hope that he gets 14 goals and tonnes of assists so the Oilers only get a third, or he out-produces Tarasenko and gets 50 goals this year. I think I prefer the latter.

No idea if he will turn his game around, or by how much, but I hope he does. Not only do I despise the Oilers, but whether or not you consider him a legitimate 1st overall pick or not, he was a highly talented kid who we could have all enjoyed watching play as hockey fans, and who seemed to work hard (though embarrassingly over-exuberant at times). Really hope he scores 50 and makes the Oilers look hilarious for trading him away (though, realistically, if I had to choose between 40 or 50, and being out of the NHL completely, I would choose the latter).

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I know I will be following Yakupov with interest. If there is one thing that I feel I could always say about him, it is that he tried hard. I always noticed Hall and Eberle coasting back on defence, and noticed Yakupov often skating back hard.

Did everything come off the rails with all the poor coaching, and coaches trying to make an example of him since they weren't willing to get into it with Hall and Eberle? Did he just get rattled and lose it, or does he not have any IQ?

Yakupov got really screwed a few ways. First, he was drafted the year of the lockout, were he not only got 31 points in 48 games, he also had almost a PPG in the KHL. If Bennett or even Monahan had that type of production in their rookie season, we would be ecstatic. He had a pretty solid first season. He had to do it without a training camp, and had to play straight in the NHL, yet he did have decent success.

Then...Eakins happened. Not only did Eakins teach Yakupov the swarm, the only true Defensive system he ever learned in North America, he somehow got in the Eakins doghouse and got scratched a bunch of times over 2 seasons. He was poor defensively, but he learned defense from the worst coach in the history of the NHL.

Last year, there were glimpses of a good player, but he was also clearly alienated by the cool entitled kids. He was dejected and wanted out, but the team wanted a first rounder back. He was never part of the group, and he never went out to party with the cool kids. He was shunned, and it could be seen pretty blatently in games.

I dont think Yakupov would have ever gotten better in Edmonton, but his career may yet be salvaged, and may even thrive under proper management.

[itsmagic]

I know that no one will agree, but the trade with St Louis for Yakupov wasn't about the assets they got in return. To me it is obvious that the trade was made simply to free up cap space to sign something they truly needed...veteran defenceman Kris Russell.

Might not look good now, but I believe that Kris Russell will have far greater long term value to the Oilers than Yakupov ever would have, even if Yak realizes his potential. After watching him the last three years, do any of us really believe he will? A wistful fantasy, nothing more.

We have laughed for years at the defence woes of that team.

I believe that we may not be laughing much longer, despite whatever success Yakupov has.

Sure Yak got two points in his first game with St Louis, but Kris Russell also got two with the Oilers.

So far, it is a wash. So far, kudos to Chiarelli.

I will also be watching this story develop with interest. My version may be much more compelling that the other one.

If our performance in Edmonton on Wednesday is repeated tonight, none of us will give a crap about the Yakupov trade anyway. Unless of course, Russell gets another two points.

Could happen.

Think about that.

It is a team game, remember? It isn't about the stats of one player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

I know that no one will agree, but the trade with St Louis for Yakupov wasn't about the assets they got in return. To me it is obvious that the trade was made simply to free up cap space to sign something they truly needed...veteran defenceman Kris Russell.

Might not look good now, but I believe that Kris Russell will have far greater long term value to the Oilers than Yakupov ever would have, even if he realizes his potential.

We have laughed for years at the defence woes of that team.

I believe that we may not be laughing much longer, despite whatever success Yakupov has.

Sure Yak got two points in his first game with St Louis, but Kris Russel got two with the Oilers.

So far it is a wash.

I'm still laughing. As bad as the Flames were last night the Oilers were awful in that game. Kris Russell with "long term value"? He is signed for only one year.

[itsmagic]

Not about one game is it? Or one year of Kris Russell.

But the result of tonight's game will matter to the bipolar people here.

Kris Russell was an asset for them in that game, not a liability.

Sure the Oilers were bad. Giving up two short handed goals atrociously bad.

But the Flames were just as bad overall. Anyone not wearing rose coloured glasses could see that.

The defence pairings were atrocious. Three of our defencemen were liabilities in that first game due to their foot speed. The only defenceman that was truly a liability to the Oilers was Nurse. He was a -3.

Give me something else for us to hang our hats on Textcritic, cause what you posted ain't working for me.

And what does any of what you posted have to do with the real topic of this thread?

[itsmagic]

Let's also not forget the laughter here when Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

If we are only considering the first games for both Edmonton and New Jersey for our 'trade value metric', and seeing the impact that the two had for their new teams, I'd have to say that, so far, Chiarelli won that trade too.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Let's also not forget the laughter here when Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

If we are only considering the first games for both Edmonton and New Jersey for our 'trade value metric', and seeing the impact that the two had for their new teams, I'd have to say that, so far, Chiarelli won that trade too.

You must have grown accustom to this goldfish-like memory you're displaying here.

Looking at things after one game?

You do realize the Flames are 11-2-1 in their last 13 games vs. Edmonton right? And going back another 20 games makes the divide just about equally laughable.

When are you Oiler fans going to realize that you have eons to go before you'll be able to do anything resembling gloating about anything?

Unreal.

[Robbob]

The point is that Yakupov can't realize his potential in edmonton because they are notoriously bad at developing players. If yak goes onto to realize his potential then he will be a top six player picked up for peanuts. That is never a good thing in terms of asset management. Russell is a stop gap and at best is a mid pairing dmen. The move to bring Russell was made out of desperation because of failure by management to shore up the back end. Same could be said of the Hall trade.

Any success Yakupov has going further only goes to prove that the brain trust is clueless. Just like all the other cast offs. Chiarelli is lucky McDavid fell in his lap because it overshadows all the bad moves he has made.

[itsmagic]

GoJetsGo

Not an Oilers fan.

A Flames fan and more importantly a hockey fan.

I was discussing how the Yakupov trade for spare parts was, in my view, an opportunity to blow off his salary for the cap space, not for the assets acquired.

Later Chiarelli aquired Kris Russell for a one year deal.

Considering the difference in money out/money in, and considering the Oilers needed a veteran defenceman more than they needed Yakupov, not such a bad outcome.

Someone noted Yakupov's two points in his first game. So what? Kris Russell effectively replaces Yakupov salary cap wise.

Seriously people, are we so grasping at anything for comfort after game 1, that we can't have a civil conversation about the Yakupov trade?

I simply offered an alternate theory to the one that says the Oilers got nothing for Yakupov in the St Louis trade.

I say they did...the cap space to sign Russell, an asset that they were sorely lacking.

Are we incapable of civil discussion on the original topic. Seriously.

[Robbob]

In terms of asset management, yes it was horrible. We are just a few years from being drafted first overall. The fact that they needed to make room to pick up a russell shows how poorly constructed they are. I think what more are saying is they drove his value so low that they sold at a loss. Which shows the mismanagement in the player development. Is one year of Russell really worth it if Yakupov gets his game back on track? This has the potential to be a Marc Savard situation.

[itsmagic]

Originally Posted by Robbob

This has the potential to be a Marc Savard situation.

Sure. That is one view. But it is wistful thinking only without analytics to support it.

It is much more likely that it will not be a "Mark Savard situation". Of course that sutation would need to be broken down to its component parts so a true comparison could be made, otherwise it is simply word salad.

What evidence is there that Yakupov will realize his potential? Yes there have been glimpses of it but for moments only in three years.

What evidence is there to say Yakupov will be a far superior player in St Louis than Kris Russel will be Edmonton?

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Far superior? Nobody said that. Kris Russell is a capable albeit small 4-6 dman depending on how hes playing and the team he is on. He is good at skating and passing. Gets mauled behind the net and doesnt pressure the puck carrier - instead choosing to play as a secondary goaltender.

Yakupov can be a 30+ goal scoring RW. He has the potential to be a far more valuable player than Kris Russell in the not so distant future. There is a huge possibility that he didnt just bust and forget how to play hockey after being drafted 1st overall but rather was thrust into an environment that is inhospitable to young players. A terrible place to develop, especially as an offensive minded forward on a very poor defensive team. Being asked to do things that dont suit your game. Being blamed for things you couldnt help - like a crappy defense and goalie. The kid will never be a 2 way gritty forward. He could easily become an offensive specialist or sniper.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Let's also not forget the laughter here when Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

If we are only considering the first games for both Edmonton and New Jersey for our 'trade value metric', and seeing the impact that the two had for their new teams, I'd have to say that, so far, Chiarelli won that trade too.

The next time Chiarelli wins a major trade will be the first time as he has a long history on bombing on big moves.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Let's also not forget the laughter here when Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

Oh trust us, we won't.