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LouCypher · 10-13-2016, 08:00 AM

First game still plenty of bugs to work out. Coaching and line up decisions were borderline garbage. Some pluses but they need to be much better and the defence pairings must change very poor lineup choices on D.

SofaProfessor · 10-13-2016, 08:04 AM

I'm usually not the kind of person to panic because of one game and I wouldn't say I'm panicking now but those lineup decisions on the blueline were concerning to say the least. The pairings, the fact Grossman has a job in the NHL... If I have to watch much more of him I might have to double or triple my alcohol intake.

442scotty · 10-13-2016, 08:18 AM

As long as Wideman is still on the team the ref's are gonna be hard on the flames. They are not going to forget what happened to one of their own and how management backed Wideman and his BS excuse. The flames used to get pretty good treatment from the referees before this happened . Not going to change until he is gone

CroFlames · 10-13-2016, 08:19 AM

Yeah, tough start, emotion, unlucky, rusty, etc... all things that are fixable with some work. Hate losing, but it's just 1 bad game and they will bounce back.

But Grossman?! What in the actual eff Brad? You had Nakladal throwing himself at you and you let him walk for Grossman. Stupid, stupid move by the otherwise very talented GM. That guy should see a total of 0:00 minutes of ice over the next 81 games.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 10-13-2016, 08:23 AM

Gulutzan got outcoached by himself last night. Poor player usage and poor line matching.

I mean, c'mon, Mikael Backlund played exactly 55 seconds against McDavid! Gulutzan was trying to fight fire with fire by matching Monahan against McDavid and that doesn't always work. You have to use Backlund for the God given talent he has has - an elite shutdown centre.

I really really hope Gulutzan learns from his mistakes last night.

Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 10-13-2016, 08:28 AM

The negatives are obvious.

However, I did think the powerplay looked good. Good puck movement in the zone, and they had a couple of play options to establish the zone rather than the drop-pass-to-Johnny.

Who is in charge of the PP this year?

Huntingwhale · 10-13-2016, 08:31 AM

The overreactions here after 1 game are quite amusing. I honestly enjoy reading it. One game.

Having said that, breaking up Brodano is a big no no. I can certainly understand the theory behind it. And I know it's only 1 game in. Some people say it's not good to put all your eggs in 1 basket. I've never bought into that. If it works, it works and you don't mess with it. Breaking up that pairing has been attempted in the past. And it never works. Leave them together and never touch them again.

I'm not sure why Kevin wasn't playing. Hopefully he slots in next game. Push Wideman down to the 3rd pairing where he belongs. Elliot sucked balls. But I'm not too worried about him. He'll rebound and take this team on a hot streak. But I think he will also quickly learn that this team isn't anywhere close to the Blues so he's going to have to be extra sharp.

And for all the hate McDavid gets around here, I don't think anybody can deny that he is going to be/already is an elite talent. Sure he skates super fast and sometimes bobbles the puck and goes crashing into the boards. But one day very soon, he's going to put it all together and be damn near unstoppable. I enjoy watching elite hockey talent like him. It just blows chunks that he's with the Oilers and we are going to have to watch him have games like that vs the Flames consistently.

It's only game 1 and a loss was predictable. Make some adjustments. Fix the D pairings. Keep up the good work on special teams. Win the cup. Easy.

saillias · 10-13-2016, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

The negatives are obvious.

However, I did think the powerplay looked good. Good puck movement in the zone, and they had a couple of play options to establish the zone rather than the drop-pass-to-Johnny.

Who is in charge of the PP this year?

Dave Cameron I believe - and Paul Gerard (if that's how you spell his name) is doing the PK.

Racki · 10-13-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Gulutzan got outcoached by himself last night...I really really hope Gulutzan learns from his mistakes last night.

This is what kept me up last night. I'm so afraid that he is going to be hard headed regarding his ideas and philosophy. I have no reason to worry about this just yet but I am concerned that he may wait too long to adjust to his mistakes.

Toonage · 10-13-2016, 08:33 AM

Very anxious to hear about the morning skate today. Want to hear that the pairings on D are back to normal. The forward lines can stay the same, I thought they were fine. Also expect a bounce back from Elliott. That was bad last night, and we all know he isn't that bad. Like he said last night. Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.

EldrickOnIce · 10-13-2016, 08:33 AM

^ like it or not, we shouldn't be surprised to see Monahan/Gaudreau versus top lines.
From the first press conference Gulutzan said they would be doing this. Your top 2 forwards better be able to play against the opponents top line.

calgaryblood · 10-13-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

^ like it or not, we shouldn't be surprised to see Monahan/Gaudreau versus top lines.
From the first press conference Gulutzan said they would be doing this. Your top 2 forwards better be able to play against the opponents top line.

Monahan isn't good enough defensively to be going up against other teams top lines. He might have said it but he better learn to adapt and not be stubborn or we will be in a hole we can't dig ourselves out of very soon.

Toonage · 10-13-2016, 08:40 AM

Playing in Edmonton last night the Flames didn't have as much choice who they sent out against what line. Will be different at home.

EldrickOnIce · 10-13-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Monahan isn't good enough defensively to be going up against other teams top lines. He might have said it but he better learn to adapt and not be stubborn or we will be in a hole we can't dig ourselves out of very soon.

I don't disagree, but your top line better be able to compete against the other teams' top line...otherwise you are in trouble.

Saqe · 10-13-2016, 08:41 AM

First game and team came out slow as usual but this was just garbage in so many ways, not very promising. A lot of work to do.

foshizzle11 · 10-13-2016, 08:46 AM

I don't like how Wideman had 5 more minutes of ice time than Hamilton. I get he had a penalty and had to deal with that but Wideman was out on the ice 30 seconds longer than Gio was last night. Not a good start, really don't like that from the coaching staff.

Pathetic effort all around. The PK was really great and for me that was the only highlight.

The refs, I don't usually complain about them but last night was embarrassing, the non-call on JG and then McSmashface scores on the breakaway from a hook that was half as bad as what they did to JG. That is rigged.

Weitz · 10-13-2016, 08:47 AM

I really liked Brouwer's stick/head fake on the breakaway. Was a really nice goal.

I noticed Giordano really didn't have a good game. Got walked a bunch of times.

Toonage · 10-13-2016, 08:51 AM

Folks upset about certain Dmen getting less time than others need to remember the pairings dictated that. Giordano was on the top pairing so he had to carry Wideman all those minutes. Grossmann was the last pairing and Dougie was stuck with him. Coaches didn't budge from their pairings unless forced by penalty so the minutes shook down that way.

Galakanokis · 10-13-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are like the 2nd or 3rd poster to state this while ignoring the fact his turnovers were directly responsible for the first two Oilers goals. Just over a minute into the game his first turnover set the tone for a bad night and it was a turnover that simply can't happen in any level of junior or professional hockey as it's the first thing they teach defensemen to never throw the puck up the middle of the ice from deep in your own end. Two bad giveaways leading to goals is a lot of damage for only 11 minutes ice time and I don't hate the guy but he was garbage last night end of story.

The first one is inexcusable, no doubt, terribly dumb play. The second one was nearly 200ft from the net and if makes the pass this place goes crazy for him. He attempted a pass in front of the offensive net, it was a good play with bad reaults. The fact that the rest of the Flames decided to take that play off is not on him. Outside of that he actually played a decent game. Nobody sees it because that is what this place does. Oh no, Gross-man...

Now, I still question him being out there against a small speedy team but he was far from the main factor in this loss. Put him out against LA or Winnipeg sure but Kulak and Jokkipaka should get the majority of games simply for the fact that their skating keeps them in more plays.

Versteeg to me looked good, rusty and not familiar with his line mates sure but I think there is something there to work with. Made some nice passes, has great hands and if that shot goes in it was probably a different game last night. I still think he is out best option on the top line.

Just a crappy first game of the season.

Bandwagon In Flames · 10-13-2016, 08:52 AM

I was livid when I saw the D pairings originally and oh boy they didn't disappoint.

Grossman should in no way be ahead of Jokipakka or Kulak. We don't need more size against Edmonton, we need more mobility.

Wideman played good considering he was on the top line. I think he's going to bounceback a bit this season, but I'd prefer him on the 2nd pairing.

Brodie didn't look good. Let the man play his comfortable right side with Gio.

Special teams were really good at least.