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Old 10-10-2016, 09:10 AM   #1121
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So do batters intentionally foul pitches? Why?

So much about the game I'm trying to learn.
It makes the pitcher throw more pitches.

That may not matter a whole lot early in the game but even then it can shorten the time the starter stays in.

However, closers/releivers are much more used to staying within a pitch limit and when you make them throw 7 or 8 pitches in an at bat, it really starts to drain the arm which often leads to mistakes. Mistake pitches are what the Jays, and all teams really, rely on for the long ball.

Baseball is so full of those kind of nuances, which is why it's such a great playoff sport. Every pitch can matter and moreso as you get into the later innings.
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How exciting was that, eh! Reminded me of that last play in the movie Major league.
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It truly feels like a lifetime of memories and moments are being created in two seasons here for the Blue Jays.

I can be as negative as the worst of them, but regardless of how the rest of the playoffs go you truly have to sit back and appreciate what we've been able to witness since last August with this team.

Incredible.
For years, even decades, Blue Jays fans said, "I just want meaningful baseball in September in my lifetime".

Well this is what it is. Tense, nervous, unbearable and exhilarating!
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So do batters intentionally foul pitches? Why?

So much about the game I'm trying to learn.
I once watched Joey votto in BP intentionally foul pitches. Hes one of the best at it.

When your down to two strikes, you are going to get some bad pitches in the strike zone. If you get a piece of it and send it foul you keep forcing the pitcher to throw you another "bad" pitch. The pitcher may make a mistake and give you something to hit.
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:44 AM   #1126
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Crazy. I always heard hitting a baseball was one of the hardest things in pro sports. It's amazing to me that hitters can intentionally foul off balls while waiting for a better pitch.

So from a batters perspective, how do you recognize a good pitch? Is their hand eye that good? They look at the pitchers hand on delivery? Or they just assume he's going to be throwing a certain pitch depending on the count? I've always wondered that.
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:48 AM   #1127
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Crazy. I always heard hitting a baseball was one of the hardest things in pro sports. It's amazing to me that hitters can intentionally foul off balls while waiting for a better pitch.

So from a batters perspective, how do you recognize a good pitch? Is their hand eye that good? They look at the pitchers hand on delivery? Or they just assume he's going to be throwing a certain pitch depending on the count? I've always wondered that.
You look at the hand. You can see where it's coming off and roughly determine what's coming.
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:11 AM   #1128
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Crazy. I always heard hitting a baseball was one of the hardest things in pro sports. It's amazing to me that hitters can intentionally foul off balls while waiting for a better pitch.

So from a batters perspective, how do you recognize a good pitch? Is their hand eye that good? They look at the pitchers hand on delivery? Or they just assume he's going to be throwing a certain pitch depending on the count? I've always wondered that.
It's a bit of all of those. Look at his hand, pick up the spin, guess the location and/or pitch type. Often you'll see a batter looking for one type of pitch, say a fastball, and then trying to react if they get another pitch and just foul it off.

This stuff is what makes watching Estrada so fascinating. He does such an incredible job of disguising his fastball and change-up that batters can never distinguish between the two. I've never seen so many quality hitters swinging so late at a sub-90mph fastball. I love watching him work.
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:15 AM   #1129
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That was an awful commentating crew. Glad they are done. We get TBS #1 crew in the ALCS.
I thought they did a great job. If anything I felt they were more biased towards the Jays. When EE hit his homerun it felt like I was watching a local SN broadcast.
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Old 10-10-2016, 11:37 AM   #1130
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Honestly, zyzz is just hearing what he wants to hear. I can't tell what the background guy did say, but it was not a "whimper", it was a rather excited exultation. The entire broadcast booth was into the moment, same as the fans.
He said "no" there's no doubt about it. He didn't sound excited at all. The play by play guy however had a great call.
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The play by play guy was awesome. The one colour guy was hilarious. Groans when EE hits his homer, cheered when the Texas RF'er made that big catch off Zeke, and then whimpers when JD scored. It was pretty funny.

For the most part, though, I thought the coverage was balanced. Like I said, the pbp guy was awesome.
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I thought Eckersley had some good moments, when they were showing/talking about Alomar and then the cupping bits with Osuna.
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The play by play guy was awesome. The one colour guy was hilarious. Groans when EE hits his homer, cheered when the Texas RF'er made that big catch off Zeke, and then whimpers when JD scored. It was pretty funny.

For the most part, though, I thought the coverage was balanced. Like I said, the pbp guy was awesome.
Glad im not the only one. He def grumbled when EE homered.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:17 PM   #1134
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Oh yeah, there was definitely a minor audible grumble there. It seemed like just the one guy that couldn't hide his hope for the Rangers to win. The broadcast as a whole was pretty good.

edit: Yeah, the cheer when Zeke's hit into right field was caught was pretty embarrassing. That wasn't a "what a great baseball play" cheer that was a "Yes, my team just saved their season!!" cheer.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:31 PM   #1135
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Catcher doesn't even catch the ball...in real time I thought it was somewhat close but obviously not

what a finish
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:58 PM   #1137
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Man I can't get over what awesome base running that was by Donaldson. Not to mention the lead off double that started it all against a pitcher that was just mowing the Jays down at will prior to the JD at bat.

If the Jays don't score that inning, they are in some serious doo-doo.

They pretty much would have had to trot Osuna back out there again for an unprecedented 3rd inning of relief, or rely on some pretty sub par relievers to keep the Rangers off the board. They'd already used Cecil, Grilli and Biagini, and as everyone knows Liriano and Benoit are out injured.

Plus, if they had lost that game Osuna would have been unavailable today and as I mentioned, all the top relievers were just used in game 3. Stroman would have had to pitch an absolute gem and go deep or there was a good chance that series goes back to Texas.

Lots of good fortune this series, especially in games 2 and 3. But a lot of times you create your own "good fortune", and that was exactly what JD did in the bottom of the 10th by being clutch, smart and aggressive at just the right time.
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Jays bats go in spurts, so may well expect after 3 straight games clubbing the ball due for a drop off, but don't think quite yet. But still disagree with wanting Cleveland to wrap it up today.

If Francona has to use 6 pitchers each of the next 3 games, maybe including starters, to get past Boston, and it means every Cleveland pitcher had had to throw at least two more times the next 3 days, and means that their rotation is off and that one or two guys aren't available for Friday, that trumps any slump the Jays may have due to inactivity.

Considering the makeup and power of the Jays offense, facing more fatigued pitchers will eventually pay off, even later in the series, more so then it will benefit the lighter hitting Indians against a more rested solid Jays rotation.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:09 PM   #1139
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Also, just recalled and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but Bush was the pitcher who drilled Bautista back in May to set up the Odor thing.

Whatever your thoughts are on the baseball code is one thing, but Gibby called it gutless to plunk him at the last at bat of the 7 games between them this year, it's usually gotten out of the way early. And, those types of retributions are delivered by vets, not a rookie who was still in jail this time last year. Banister said he didn't ask him to hit him, and I may believe him, this was Bush trying to go cowboy to his new teammates and try and cement a role on the team after his jail term was over.

Something about karma.
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Also, just recalled and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but Bush was the pitcher who drilled Bautista back in May to set up the Odor thing.

Whatever your thoughts are on the baseball code is one thing, but Gibby called it gutless to plunk him at the last at bat of the 7 games between them this year, it's usually gotten out of the way early. And, those types of retributions are delivered by vets, not a rookie who was still in jail this time last year. Banister said he didn't ask him to hit him, and I may believe him, this was Bush trying to go cowboy to his new teammates and try and cement a role on the team after his jail term was over.

Something about karma.
Yeah it's been mentioned, and the only thing that would have made last night better was if Bautista would have drove in the series winning run when he was up in the 10th.

Too bad he struck out, but at least they still managed to win.
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