Oct 7 Waiver wire - Flames waive Wotherspoon and Vey

[1qqaaz]

Well the fact that they're still at camp is a bit annoying.

The Flames just decisively lost their last preseason game because the lineup was no where near being finalized. Now there will be less chemistry within the team when the season actually starts.

For whatever reasons, the Flames have let a handful of underwhelming PTOs stick around through the entire pre-season. The fact that they stuck around this long without actually deserving it is disappointing. If these PTOs made the team, they'd halt the development of a few NHL-ready prospects. That'd be even more disappointing.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Ha, I've obviously been living under a rock because I didn't know that Vey was with the Flames now. I need to pay more attention during the off-season/pre-season.

Ha! I see what you did there calgarygeologist

[Calgary4LIfe]

Wotherspoon just needs to be more assertive out there. I do think he has an NHL future. What I notice about him is that he takes time to 'warm up' in a way. Can't disagree at all with the Flames sending him down, but at the same time I hope (and anticipate) that he doesn't get claimed as I think he will be fine in an injury call-up, and if it lasts long enough, I bet he gets better.

It won't be a huge loss either way, but Wotherspoon will help to provide depth for the year, and that's a good thing to have in your D.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well the fact that they're still at camp is a bit annoying.

The Flames just decisively lost their last preseason game because the lineup was no where near being finalized. Now there will be less chemistry within the team when the season actually starts.

For whatever reasons, the Flames have let a handful of underwhelming PTOs stick around through the entire pre-season. The fact that they stuck around this long without actually deserving it is disappointing. If these PTOs made the team, they'd halt the development of a few NHL-ready prospects. That'd be even more disappointing.

They brought literally nobody to Vancouver. Monahan with his first skate with unfamiliar linemates, Backlund and Hamilton. That's it.

No Bennett
No Giordano
No Brodie
Not Elliott
No Gaudreau
No Brouwer
No Frolik

That last game was irrelevant.

Keeping PTOs around as long as you can is classy, it gives them the best chance possible of signing somewhere before the bell strikes 12.

I can't see any of them making it, though Korpikoski has a sliver of hope.

[Flash Walken]

PRESEASON IS COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS

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[bigrangy]

I'm getting kind of sick of the "classy" image the Flames have been cultivating over the last few seasons with Brad at the helm. It should be the right way to do things, but the results of this policy haven't exactly been rewarding. It cost the Flames Sven and it doesn't seem to help make contract negotiations any easier. Monahan and Hamilton both signed market value contracts, at worst. I will admit that Giordano took a bullet for the team though. Johnny's contract negotiation has been a farce so far, there is no good reason why a team with the cap space to sign their players doesn't have their opening night roster ready to go at the start of pre-season. I think classy and polite should be the way to do things in life but it certainly doesn't seem to be a good strategy when it comes to managing a hockey team. Brad had a responsibility to get down to business this summer and make sure that this team would be 100% to start the season. Wideman is still here, there's no solution at #1RW, and Johnny still hasn't signed.

These problems should have been fixed a long time ago. The Bennett contract and Elliot extenson, and well as expansion draft preparation should be what is occupying the GM's time now. What happened to the 2014-15 Brad who could do no wrong?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'm getting kind of sick of the "classy" image the Flames have been cultivating over the last few seasons with Brad at the helm. It should be the right way to do things, but the results of this policy haven't exactly been rewarding. It cost the Flames Sven and it doesn't seem to help make contract negotiations any easier. Monahan and Hamilton both signed market value contracts, at worst. I will admit that Giordano took a bullet for the team though. Johnny's contract negotiation has been a farce so far, there is no good reason why a team with the cap space to sign their players doesn't have their opening night roster ready to go at the start of pre-season. I think classy and polite should be the way to do things in life but it certainly doesn't seem to be a good strategy when it comes to managing a hockey team. Brad had a responsibility to get down to business this summer and make sure that this team would be 100% to start the season. Wideman is still here, there's no solution at #1RW, and Johnny still hasn't signed.

These problems should have been fixed a long time ago. The Bennett contract and Elliot extenson, and well as expansion draft preparation should be what is occupying the GM's time now. What happened to the 2014-15 Brad who could do no wrong?

People expect him to be absolutely perfect, 100% of the time. If he isn't then he is the worst thing in the history of worst things.

[AC]

Also we've already heard that the Flames and Elliott have had conversations regarding an extension.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They brought literally nobody to Vancouver. Monahan with his first skate with unfamiliar linemates, Backlund and Hamilton. That's it.

No Bennett
No Giordano
No Brodie
Not Elliott
No Gaudreau
No Brouwer
No Frolik

That last game was irrelevant.

Keeping PTOs around as long as you can is classy, it gives them the best chance possible of signing somewhere before the bell strikes 12.

I can't see any of them making it, though Korpikoski has a sliver of hope.

Exactly, the Flames didn't bring anyone to Vancouver. May we can agree to disagree, but the last pre-season game should be fairly realistic overall. It's the last chance to emulate a regular season game.

I don't think the Flames should be sacrificing solid game practice and team chemistry just to be classy to a few PTOs.

Gulutzan and has a connection with Higgins. Treliving knows Korpikoski. Burke probably likes Grossman's truculence. I don't think any of these guys deserve to make the team, but I would not be surprised to see one of them get a contract.

[868904]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'm getting kind of sick of the "classy" image the Flames have been cultivating over the last few seasons with Brad at the helm. It should be the right way to do things, but the results of this policy haven't exactly been rewarding. It cost the Flames Sven and it doesn't seem to help make contract negotiations any easier. Monahan and Hamilton both signed market value contracts, at worst. I will admit that Giordano took a bullet for the team though. Johnny's contract negotiation has been a farce so far, there is no good reason why a team with the cap space to sign their players doesn't have their opening night roster ready to go at the start of pre-season. I think classy and polite should be the way to do things in life but it certainly doesn't seem to be a good strategy when it comes to managing a hockey team. Brad had a responsibility to get down to business this summer and make sure that this team would be 100% to start the season. Wideman is still here, there's no solution at #1RW, and Johnny still hasn't signed.

These problems should have been fixed a long time ago. The Bennett contract and Elliot extenson, and well as expansion draft preparation should be what is occupying the GM's time now. What happened to the 2014-15 Brad who could do no wrong?

Uh okay. Sure, why don't you tell Lewis Gross and Bennett and Elliot's agent to hurry up and negotiate because it would make you feel better if it was accomplished now.

Seriously? You realize it takes two to negotiate a contract right? Just because Treliving wanted it done in the summer doesn't mean Gross isn't going to drive this down to the wire to extract as much as he can out of the Flames. You really think Treliving wanted it to drag out until now? From what is sounds like, this week was the first time that Gross has even moved below the $8 million mark. So should Treliving have just giving Johnny the $8 million please and blew the cap out?

Can't believe i'm even responding.

[bigrangy]

I realize it takes two, but there is no reason why this hasn't been done yet with the cap space that the Flames have. Offer him what you think is fair, and if the other party dicks you around for 4 damn months tell him he can sit out the season. The Flames are going to come out of the gate slow this year because the whole team hasn't even been together yet. Look at Yzerman down in Tampa, he got his way by being a dick this year. He could have traded Drouin to be classy, he could have given in to the 10+ million demand from Stamkos to be classy. Brad needs to stop with the classy and get down to actually getting things done.

[ricosuave]

Holy ####, so much drama around here

[heep223]

I hope the flames go 5-0 out of the gate so everyone will STFU

[Southside]

At this point I'm fairly certain Johnny's contract is holding a few things up including letting guys on PTO go, signing Russell, etc. Once that deal is done a few domino's will fall. Expect movement on all fronts in the next few days.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'm getting kind of sick of the "classy" image the Flames have been cultivating over the last few seasons with Brad at the helm. It should be the right way to do things, but the results of this policy haven't exactly been rewarding. It cost the Flames Sven

Why can't some people make a point around here without hyperbole?

Sven was entitled, sulked and demanded a trade.

There was no policy that "cost the Flames Sven"

You don't need to embellish and exaggerate to make your point.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by heep223

I hope the flames go 5-0 out of the gate so everyone will STFU

*quickly checks schedule - Oilers, Oilers, Canucks, Sabres, and Hurricanes.

Let's do it!!

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

*quickly checks schedule - Oilers, Oilers, Canucks, Sabres, and Hurricanes.

Let's do it!!

Imagine if Johnny sits out for those 5 games and we go 0-5 and miss the playoffs by one point

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Why can't some people make a point around here without hyperbole?

Sven was entitled, sulked and demanded a trade.

There was no policy that "cost the Flames Sven"

You don't need to embellish and exaggerate to make your point.

Brad traded Sven because the Flames wanted to be the nice guy and trade him after he said that he'd refuse to re-sign, as far as I remember. Classy move, but not a great hockey move.

Of course, this is the public story. They could have just given up on him becoming a productive player, and wanted to salvage some value. In that case, carry on with how you've been doing things. But I feel that this polite, classy image has not been helping the Flames whatsoever when it comes to all the contracts we've passed out lately.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Imagine if Johnny sits out for those 5 games and we go 0-5 and miss the playoffs by one point

I still think a contract will be signed in time for Johnny to be in the opening night lineup, but I also have an optimistic view in general.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Brad traded Sven because the Flames wanted to be the nice guy and trade him after he said that he'd refuse to re-sign, as far as I remember. Classy move, but not a great hockey move.

Of course, this is the public story. They could have just given up on him becoming a productive player, and wanted to salvage some value. In that case, carry on with how you've been doing things. But I feel that this polite, classy image has not been helping the Flames whatsoever when it comes to all the contracts we've passed out lately.

What are you on about?
If Sven told the Flames he wouldn't sign and would return to Europe then trading him WAS the right move. Class has nothing to do with it.
Getting the second allowed them to more easily trade for Hamilton and they used the second to get Rasmus