[Rumour] McKenzie: Gaudreau & Flames are closing gap, but it's still a considerable gap.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The panel seemed to agree that Monahan is "every bit as important to this team as Gaudreau is". Can't pay Gaudreau a ridiculous amount more then they paid Monahan.

Monahan is just under 6.4/7 years.
Gaudreau shouldn't go past seven million for similar term

[JerryUnderscore]

For all the talk of "you don't want to offend Gaudreau" in these negotiations, how is Monahan going to feel if Gaudreau signs a much bigger contract than he did? Is Sean going to pout and refuse to sign another contract with the Flames?

I doubt it.

[polak]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

For all the talk of "you don't want to offend Gaudreau" in these negotiations, how is Monahan going to feel if Gaudreau signs a much bigger contract than he did? Is Sean going to pout and refuse to sign another contract with the Flames?

I doubt it.

Too late.

Plus he's delusional if he doesn't think Gaudreau deserves a bigger contract.

[shadowlord]

Dammit. With the angst in this thread, I should have invested in a pharmaceutial company that sells high-blood pressure medication. I would have made a killing.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by polak

Too late.

Plus he's delusional if he doesn't think Gaudreau deserves a bigger contract.

I don't disagree. Gaudreau is the better offensive player. I'm just trying to point out how irrational it is for people to be worried primarily about a players "feeling" when it comes to the negotiations.

Both sides are trying to argue for the best deal for their side. It's not personal, just business. And when people suggest the Flames shouldn't try to get the best deal for themselves because they might somehow damage their relationship with Gaudreau they're conflating the two.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Monahan knows Gaudreau deserves a bigger contract. Why would he pout about a more dynamic and offensively gifted player with better numbers getting a bigger contract than him? Especially if that player happens to be a good friend of his and someone who has assisted on a high percentage of Sean's goals. I see your point - that we shouldnt be catering to a players feelings. But the analogy is a bit difficult since they are friends and Monny knows Johnny is more valuable in a scoring league than he is.

I think its unlikely but possible that some part of Johnny feels the flames should give him what he's earned and what he's supposed to get rather than what they can get away with giving him due to the fact he cant sign an offer sheet or go to arbitration as a player with only 2 years in the league. Perhaps he can feel like the Flames are being a little unfair with him.

Personally if I was Johnny and sat down with BT and he offered me any long term contract in the 6 million range I would demand a trade and flip the table. He deserves at least 8 in my opinion if we sign him long term (we better have that as the goal) and he shouldnt settle for anything less.

As a Flames fan I see it as unfortunate for Johnny about the whole having no arbitration rights - and that he should try and get a deal done to be a good guy and stay with his buddies in Calgary. But if I were Johnny I wouldnt see it the same at all. I'd see it as cheap and insulting to my intelligence if I were offered a 6.8 x 8 after putting up nearly a point per game in my first 2 seasons and bringing excitement back to the dome while becoming a household name / fan favorite. We've been jumping out of our seats for this kid since his first development camp scrimmage, through the WJC, his hobey baker season and his first 2 years in the NHL. He isnt just some random kid who put up numbers all of a sudden that we cant trust to be good long term. I think we can trust him to get even better.

So yeah Johnny will be a pro about it and nod and smile because he wants to be here and have a good attitude but the whole situation including the media coverage of it is bad for the Calgary-Gaudreau relationship for sure.

[JurassicTunga12]

[kbvall]

Originally Posted by Browndog71

That's the nicest building in New Jersey...

Nicer than Bada Bing??


Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk

[heep223]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

listened to replay of 960. Boomer poopoo'd on signing today. Also gleaned from the replay...

"out there" = CP
"some people" = Mattyc

Re: bolded, in what sense?

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Monahan knows Gaudreau deserves a bigger contract. Why would he pout about a more dynamic and offensively gifted player with better numbers getting a bigger contract than him? Especially if that player happens to be a good friend of his and someone who has assisted on a high percentage of Sean's goals. I see your point - that we shouldnt be catering to a players feelings. But the analogy is a bit difficult since they are friends and Monny knows Johnny is more valuable in a scoring league than he is.

I think its unlikely but possible that some part of Johnny feels the flames should give him what he's earned and what he's supposed to get rather than what they can get away with giving him due to the fact he cant sign an offer sheet or go to arbitration as a player with only 2 years in the league. Perhaps he can feel like the Flames are being a little unfair with him.

Personally if I was Johnny and sat down with BT and he offered me any long term contract in the 6 million range I would demand a trade and flip the table. He deserves at least 8 in my opinion and he shouldnt settle for anything less.

As a Flames fan I see it as unfortunate for Johnny about the whole having no arbitration rights - and that he should try and get a deal done to be a good guy and stay with his buddies in Calgary. But if I were Johnny I wouldnt see it the same at all. I'd see it as cheap and insulting to my intelligence if I were offered a 6.8 x 8 after putting up nearly a point per game in my first 2 seasons and bringing excitement back to the dome while becoming a household name / fan favorite. We've been jumping out of our seats for this kid since his first development camp scrimmage, through the WJC, his hobey baker season and his first 2 years in the NHL. He isnt just some random kid who put up numbers all of a sudden that we cant trust to be good long term. I think we can trust him to get even better.

So yeah Johnny will be a pro about it and nod and smile because he wants to be here and have a good attitude but the whole situation including the media coverage of it is bad for the Calgary-Gaudreau relationship for sure.

An 8/$6.8M contract? Sure, that's insulting. 8/$7.25M? That's not an insult.

But if Gaudreau could call $6.8M an insult, couldn't Monahan say the same thing about $8M+? Johnny is better than Sean, but $1.5M better? I doubt it.

Either way, this isn't about personal feelings so neither player should be insulted by where this ends up.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Whether it be Gaudreau, Monahan or even Gio, people are really overestimating just how much "hurt feelings" might be going on.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Whether it be Gaudreau, Monahan or even Gio, people are really overestimating just how much "hurt feelings" might be going on.

If they are so sensitive then they must have really hurt feelings playing on a 26th place team.... I hope so.


PS Brodie must have trouble looking at these guys in the face.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by nik-

Are we about to call in an airstrike?

I haven't laughed that hard in awhile. Thanks!

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Whether it be Gaudreau, Monahan or even Gio, people are really overestimating just how much "hurt feelings" might be going on.

I was about to ask something similar to this.

Are we really thinking along the lines of
"So and so is making more than me waaaaaah waaaaah waaaaah"

[GioforPM]

What Monahan is thinking is "holy crap, I'm 22 years old, have a high school education and I make $6.5 MILLION USD a year".

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

An 8/$6.8M contract? Sure, that's insulting. 8/$7.25M? That's not an insult.

But if Gaudreau could call $6.8M an insult, couldn't Monahan say the same thing about $8M+? Johnny is better than Sean, but $1.5M better? I doubt it.

Either way, this isn't about personal feelings so neither player for be insulted by where this ends up.

Its not a matter of better than Sean or worse than Sean. Its about being a point producing player. A driver. A guy who can score with anyone and help anyone score. Sean is a young mature center with a deadly wrist shot and high hockey IQ. Meanwhile Patrick Kane is watching youtube videos of Gaudreau. Johnny put those points up on a TERRIBLE flames team with 1 scoring line and no support. The top pairing of the other team would literally shadow him all season and he put those points up.

Also 7.25 is less insulting than 6.8. But where the cap is going and the fact that you consider how a player projects when you give a contract to a young player - you need to future proof Johnnys contract IF you want him for 8 years. If I were him I'd sign a 7.25...sure. But DEFINITELY not for 8 years. If Johnny scores 80 points this season and has a long successful .95ppg career where he plays on the top line for the USA and is a perennial all star - he's going to be looking around in 4 years going wait a minute...I'm making 7.25 and all these players I'm more valuable than are making more than me.

I think the contract simply needs to be future proof. Not only for the cap going up - but the value of a point per game playmaking winger who can score going up in the league. Also Johnny is getting better and will improve as the team around him improves.

7.25 is only fair on a shorter deal imo. Theres a huge chance Gaudreau outperforms that contract over 8 years, not to mention the cap going up and the value of point per game, dynamic, all star, world beating players also going up.

I'd never ever sign for 7.25 over 8 years if I was Johnny unless I had no faith in my own abilities or wanted the guaranteed money / security. I dont think people would have a hard time seeing this if they were the player and not a die hard flames fan. Thats 2 million more than wideman ffs. I'd rather pay the extra 1 million, lock your franchise player up as long as you can and maintain a good relationship with him.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What Monahan is thinking is "holy crap, I'm 22 years old, have a high school education and I make $6.5 USD a year".

I'd be pretty concerned too if I was making $6.50 USD a year.

[Alpine Fisher]

Dont forget Monahan is Canadian and makes his off season home in Canada. so 6.5M USD goes a long way with the exchange rate. Compared to Gaudreau who might make 7.5M USD at most and has to use that money in 'Merica in the offseason.

.......Unless he moves in with Gaudreauovertime.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

Dont forget Monahan is Canadian and makes his off season home in Canada. so 6.5M USD goes a long way with the exchange rate. Compared to Gaudreau who might make 7.5M USD at most and has to use that money in 'Merica in the offseason.

.......Unless he moves in with Gaudreauovertime.

Where's the face of Andy Sandburg making the gizz face? That's what I picture Gaudreauvertime looking like after reading that. Lol

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Where's the face of Andy Sandburg making the gizz face? That's what I picture Gaudreauvertime looking like after reading that. Lol

http://images.lmgtfy.com/?q=Andy+San...+the+gizz+face