10-04-2016, 10:57 AM
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#3821
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In the Sin Bin
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Notley's complete lack of self awareness when she is being a hypocrite is honestly breathtaking.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...atum-1.3790650
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"We don't think it's economically responsible to commit moving to $50 a tonne when the province of Alberta is struggling as much as it is right now, and the shock-waves of that are continuing to hit the Canadian economy, both east and west.
"It's not over yet, and there needs to be some concerted efforts to reestablish growth in Alberta and that needs to happen first."
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I could respect Notley for trying to stand up to Trudeau's economically irresponsible tax if she didn't just submarine her own province by doing exactly the same thing!
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10-04-2016, 10:59 AM
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#3822
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by puckedoff
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Justin's true colours are coming through. He's a Trudeau, and he is a Liberal. Of course Alberta is going to get totally fcked as part of any energy policy he introduces. As with so many other of these policies, this is all about wealth redistribution, not environmentalism.
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10-04-2016, 10:59 AM
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#3823
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In Your MCP
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Notley's complete lack of self awareness when she is being a hypocrite is honestly breathtaking.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...atum-1.3790650
I could respect Notley for trying to stand up to Trudeau's economically irresponsible tax if she didn't just submarine her own province by doing exactly the same thing!
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Read between the lines.
Notley: "I want a tax grab!!!!"
Trudeau: "No, I want one!!!!"
You have 2 politicians lining up at the trough. Question is, who gets there first and what's left over when they're done?
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10-04-2016, 11:01 AM
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#3824
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc
Read between the lines.
Notley: "I want a tax grab!!!!"
Trudeau: "No, I want one!!!!"
You have 2 politicians lining up at the trough. Question is, who gets there first and what's left over when they're done?
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And thanks to their combined idiocy the trough is empty at the moment.
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10-04-2016, 12:48 PM
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#3825
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Notley's complete lack of self awareness when she is being a hypocrite is honestly breathtaking.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...atum-1.3790650
I could respect Notley for trying to stand up to Trudeau's economically irresponsible tax if she didn't just submarine her own province by doing exactly the same thing!
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I get where you are coming from in principle but a $30 carbon tax and a $50 carbon tax would have a significantly different impact.
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10-04-2016, 01:53 PM
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#3826
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/fp...-oil-pipelines
I will post this in the Alberta Oil thread as well, but I think it is highly relevant here as well, given of course, Tzeporah Berman's current status as a co-chair of Alberta's Oil Sands Advisory working group.
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10-04-2016, 02:24 PM
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#3827
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Norm!
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Berman should be relieved of her position, especially since she so closely linked to Tides.
I've also said it before that any group that receives funding from Tides or Rockefellow should have its tax exemption status pulled, and should be banned from any public consultation.
Tides is basically getting funding from US and Saudi Oil interests.
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10-04-2016, 02:51 PM
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#3828
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
I get where you are coming from in principle but a $30 carbon tax and a $50 carbon tax would have a significantly different impact.
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Agreed. But the message really is "You can't do to my province what I did to my province unless I get something in return."
At least she is fighting for pipelines instead of more union benefits.
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10-04-2016, 02:57 PM
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#3829
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: wearing raccoons for boots
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iggy_oi
I get where you are coming from in principle but a $30 carbon tax and a $50 carbon tax would have a significantly different impact.
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Its just a different sized hole in the bottom of the same boat. The impact difference would be how fast it sinks.
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10-04-2016, 03:04 PM
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#3830
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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I can't really blame Notley and find her position to be reasonable. The basis for the carbon tax was to grant pipeline approvals. This entire thing is a cash grab by the feds. The tax should be revenue neutral but it won't be, and will be used to balance the books.
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10-04-2016, 03:16 PM
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#3831
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Agreed. But the message really is "You can't do to my province what I did to my province unless I get something in return."
At least she is fighting for pipelines instead of more union benefits.
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I don't know about that, it seems to me like she's saying "I'm already trying to address this in a way that won't be as unmanageable for Albertans as what you are planning"
But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
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10-04-2016, 03:26 PM
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#3832
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Bowness
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
I can't really blame Notley and find her position to be reasonable. The basis for the carbon tax was to grant pipeline approvals. This entire thing is a cash grab by the feds. The tax should be revenue neutral but it won't be, and will be used to balance the books.
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The feds said that the carbon tax dollars would be transferred back to the provinces from which it was collected. What the provinces do with those dollars determines whether it's a cash grab or not and truly revenue neutral.
Alberta's tax is a cash grab, in that the proceeds are spent on ideological transfers from richer to poorer Albertans, and from profitable corporations to unprofitable ones (i.e. slush fund grants to "green" companies who without the grant would not be viable).
If Alberta's Carbon tax were more like BC's in that it is offset by broad drops in the corporate tax and personal tax rates, it would be actually revenue neutral.
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10-05-2016, 02:13 AM
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#3833
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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10-05-2016, 06:27 AM
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#3834
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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See, restaurants have an easy solution. Kill tipping and raise prices. Staff still get the same take home, customers still pay the same(after tip) and everyone is happy. But no, now staff are going to get laid off, businesses will close, and customers will end up overpaying for service.
If we are going to pay a living wage, WTF do they need tips for?
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10-05-2016, 09:50 AM
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#3835
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Dion
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/sigh
It's like they don't teach basic minimum wage effects in ECON 101/201.
Okay, let me take a stab at the response by some to this:
"All those 1,200 businesses are lying. Or they are blowing it out of proportion and are actively laying off people or cutting their hours in an feeble attempt to somehow pressure the government in a vast organized conspiracy against socialism."
"All of those dirty businesses deserve to die because they won't provide a living wage for everybody."
"CTV made up those numbers because Notley said that there would be ABSOLUTELY NO JOB losses from the minimum wage hikes. Total BS reporting."
"Minimum wage hikes, psh, that won't increase operating costs. Or increasing the price of everything. They're lying. If they are not lying, the businesses should just eat the cost and keep running regardless if they are bankrupt or not."
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10-05-2016, 10:18 AM
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#3837
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Franchise Player
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Wait... isn't the obvious solution to increase the basement rent to offset the increase in wage? I acknowledge that I have not actually thought about that at length and am not a landlord...
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10-05-2016, 10:20 AM
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#3838
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Wait... isn't the obvious solution to increase the basement rent to offset the increase in wage? I acknowledge that I have not actually thought about that at length and am not a landlord...
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My understanding of it is that we can not raise the rent as it is a set figure, determined by the government, under the foreign workers program. You can only deduct up to a maximum amount for rent.
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10-05-2016, 10:21 AM
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#3839
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In the Sin Bin
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Well, I'm sure your nanny will be thanking Notley for the "living wage" as she is sent packing back to the Phillipines when you inevitably have to let her go.
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10-05-2016, 10:29 AM
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#3840
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Well, I'm sure your nanny will be thanking Notley for the "living wage" as she is sent packing back to the Phillipines when you inevitably have to let her go.
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There is very shortly going to be an oversupply of Nanny's in Calgary. Several are already only working part time now in our community due to the economy.
Nanny's made a lot of sense for many middle class families as it was approximately the same cost as having two children in a Day home with way more flexibility.
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