10-03-2016, 05:23 PM
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#1661
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Lifetime Suspension
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Gaudreau rollin' in that Pizza 73 money?
Johnny Pizza
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10-03-2016, 05:23 PM
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#1662
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
The guy broke the Monahan signing before anyone.
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And the Fleury trade and Boudreau signing! Blind squirrel...
He's a gossip column hack with a successful mommy.
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10-03-2016, 05:27 PM
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#1663
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Lifetime Suspension
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Don't particularly like Francis. He's abrasive, arrogant and his Sportsnet suits make him look like a total knob, but anyone denying he has legitimate sources and insider information is being foolish.
A blind squirrel doesn't know the Flames are about to announce the Monahan deal, the biggest deal in Flames history at this point, the night before it happens. That's not luck.
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10-03-2016, 05:36 PM
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#1664
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Don't particularly like Francis. He's abrasive, arrogant and his Sportsnet suits make him look like a total knob, but anyone denying he has legitimate sources and insider information is being foolish.
A blind squirrel doesn't know the Flames are about to announce the Monahan deal, the biggest deal in Flames history at this point, the night before it happens. That's not luck.
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Not doubting that he has some limited sources, but he's been way off recently too but insists on writing attention grabbing stories and not admitting wrong. His "credibility" is not built on solid footing and his personality and scattershot stories undermine when he's right.
He's a hack because he has to sensationalize. Guys like Friedman, Duhatschek and McKenzie don't.
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10-03-2016, 05:38 PM
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#1665
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Lifetime Suspension
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Agreed with that.
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10-03-2016, 05:43 PM
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#1666
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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"Peaceful coexistence" is the general state of affairs between players and media, FWIW. Everyone has a job to do.
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10-03-2016, 05:47 PM
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#1667
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Originally Posted by polak
He can stand to make millions by holding out.
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Or lose millions.
Missing games doesn't help anyone. From a strictly dollars angle, if he misses half a season (for example), he could be passing up somewhere between three and four million dollars. Will he make that up by turning the screws properly and getting what he's after? Maybe. He won't get it back if he ends up signing for something close to what the Flames are offering him today.
He seems like a level-headed guy and not the type to buy a Lamborghini with an interior made from the skin of a Blue Whale's penis, and I'm sure he's able to pay the bills even if he sits, but it's going to cost him something.
Point is, both sides are on the hook to lose on this. And so are we, as fans. Goddamn I wish they'd sort this out.
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10-03-2016, 06:01 PM
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#1668
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: YQL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Don't particularly like Francis. He's abrasive, arrogant and his Sportsnet suits make him look like a total knob, but anyone denying he has legitimate sources and insider information is being foolish.
A blind squirrel doesn't know the Flames are about to announce the Monahan deal, the biggest deal in Flames history at this point, the night before it happens. That's not luck.
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Don't disagree, but lets not forget this off season was when Hartley was fired and he said Bruce Boudreau would be the next head coach of the Calgary Flames.
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10-03-2016, 06:05 PM
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#1669
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
He seems like a level-headed guy and not the type to buy a Lamborghini with an interior made from the skin of a Blue Whale's penis
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That just popped into your head did it?
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10-03-2016, 06:08 PM
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#1670
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
That just popped into your head did it?
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That's RougeUnderoos secret, he's always thinking about whale penis.
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10-03-2016, 06:31 PM
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#1671
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Don't particularly like Francis. He's abrasive, arrogant and his Sportsnet suits make him look like a total knob, but anyone denying he has legitimate sources and insider information is being foolish.
A blind squirrel doesn't know the Flames are about to announce the Monahan deal, the biggest deal in Flames history at this point, the night before it happens. That's not luck.
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Totally agree. I thought it was also him that ferreted out Johhny's ask of 8mm plus too. Lewis Gross was upset about them looking greedy with the ask but he did nothing to refute.
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10-03-2016, 06:42 PM
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#1672
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
That's RougeUnderoos secret, he's always thinking about whale penis.
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Rouge is always a BIG thinker. 
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10-03-2016, 06:43 PM
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#1673
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
Or lose millions.
Missing games doesn't help anyone. From a strictly dollars angle, if he misses half a season (for example), he could be passing up somewhere between three and four million dollars. Will he make that up by turning the screws properly and getting what he's after? Maybe. He won't get it back if he ends up signing for something close to what the Flames are offering him today.
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Not to nitpick but he can't miss half the season. I believe its a Dec 3rd deadline for not being able to play the entire season if not signed by then. So roughly 1/3rd season
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Originally Posted by oilboy2 
This deal is DONE, im not sure what the worry is. Heatly is an Oiler, just some paperwork to get done. This isnt another Nylander incident
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10-03-2016, 06:53 PM
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#1674
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
That's RougeUnderoos secret, he's always thinking about whale penis.
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Dude. who isn't?
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10-03-2016, 07:10 PM
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#1675
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Amherst, MA
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If the team is at risk of missing the playoffs because one player is out, then we have either a non-playoff team anyway, or a one dimensional team that will be easy for a top team to beat. This goes for losing Gio, Brodie or anyone else.
Johnny has no leverage, every million he loses while not playing is money flushed down the toilet and that could have been invested. I hope management do not cave and, even if we lose the season because of it, hold to the salary structure they seek. The long term success of the team depends on it. My expectation now is that we start the season without him, and I am ok with it. Other players will get a chance to see what they can do on the top line.
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
If I think about it, it's not necessarily precedent setting at all in terms of negotiating based on leverage. Johnny's got more leverage than any 10.2 (C) and most RFAs simply because he's so valuable to the team. The threat of him sitting 10 games could sink chances at a playoff berth pretty quickly, which would end up being enormously expensive to the team.
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10-03-2016, 07:22 PM
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#1676
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
The guy broke the Monahan signing before anyone.
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I didn't say he makes everything up. But I have little doubt he fabricates a decent amount passing off his mostly moronic opinions as facts
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10-03-2016, 07:41 PM
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#1677
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Hudson
If the team is at risk of missing the playoffs because one player is out, then we have either a non-playoff team anyway, or a one dimensional team that will be easy for a top team to beat. This goes for losing Gio, Brodie or anyone else.
Johnny has no leverage, every million he loses while not playing is money flushed down the toilet and that could have been invested. I hope management do not cave and, even if we lose the season because of it, hold to the salary structure they seek. The long term success of the team depends on it. My expectation now is that we start the season without him, and I am ok with it. Other players will get a chance to see what they can do on the top line.
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All that matters from an ownership perspective is making the playoffs. Missing them is very expensive, like 3-5% loss of revenues for a team at the very least.
Having Johnny play the whole season gives the best chance for making the playoffs and earning valuable cash for owners and experience for young players.
That's why this is such a tough negotiation, because Johnny actually holds significant leverage compared to most 10.2 (C) players, or RFAs in general. Withholding his services for a material amount of games could cost the team millions of dollars.
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10-03-2016, 07:45 PM
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#1678
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Had an idea!
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I'm not sure how much influence an agent has, but one has to think his isn't doing a very good job.
There is no way any team in the NHL would give Johnny more than $7 million no matter how good he was at this point in his career. Much less when the team has so much leverage. Gotta think going into negotiations thinking it would actually happen created this whole mess.
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10-03-2016, 07:52 PM
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#1679
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
I didn't say he makes everything up. But I have little doubt he fabricates a decent amount passing off his mostly moronic opinions as facts
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That's a pretty stiff accusation.
Just because things don't always comes true doesn't mean that what is reported doesn't have something behind it.
If he really did "make things up" he probably wouldn't have lasted as long as he has. He is generally a respected member of the media by his peers.
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10-03-2016, 07:56 PM
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#1680
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
All that matters from an ownership perspective is making the playoffs. Missing them is very expensive, like 3-5% loss of revenues for a team at the very least.
Having Johnny play the whole season gives the best chance for making the playoffs and earning valuable cash for owners and experience for young players.
That's why this is such a tough negotiation, because Johnny actually holds significant leverage compared to most 10.2 (C) players, or RFAs in general. Withholding his services for a material amount of games could cost the team millions of dollars.
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Huh?
Missing the playoffs doesn't cost the team a dime. All salaries are already paid.
It would limit further revenue than the regular season and all that provides, but it doesn't cost anything.
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