I really, really hate this news. No talks in a Month? I don't like playing chicken with our franchise player. I have a really, really bad feeling that Gaudreau's agent has picked this contract as one to make a statement with. And I think we have all seen Treliving isn't the type to bend to pressure.
If Gaudreau chooses to sit instead of play I will lose soo much respect for the kid. Really sad situation.
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A million dollars in cap space is far more meaningful to the rich owners than a million dollars in salary is to someone already slated to earn as much in a year as I will in my life.
It makes zero difference to the player's life, aside from satisfying his ego. It makes a material difference to the team's ability to ice a winning group.
That million will be spent on some deadweight contract that the Flames have a few of already whereas the Flames have no-one of superstar caliber other than JG.
A million dollars in cap space is far more meaningful to the rich owners than a million dollars in salary is to someone already slated to earn as much in a year as I will in my life.
It makes zero difference to the player's life, aside from satisfying his ego. It makes a material difference to the team's ability to ice a winning group.
It's too bad Monahan and Giordano didn't take a million less than they were worth. Egomaniacs.
That million will be spent on some deadweight contract that the Flames have a few of already whereas the Flames have no-one of superstar caliber other than JG.
the problem is that there lots of comparable contracts out on the market right now.
Gaudreau, if rumors are to be believed, wants to blow that structure apart... 8 million?
I love Gaudreau, but that kind of contract can cripple a franchise...
I disagree with just about all of this. 10-15% over the course of 7-8 years is could be as much as 10 or 11 million dollars.
If you were JG, and you believed you were worth 7 million dollars, and the team refused to negotiate, what would you do?
what are the options?
-cave and sign what the team wants.
-sit at home and do nothing.
-sign a contract elsewhere and wait until something gets worked out with the flames.
am i missing anything?
Agreed, it is a big ticket amount but how do we know that the team refuses to negotiate? BT has mentioned a ton of times that they're in the process, they're working towards something. And yes, he has those options plus he can request a trade.
While Gross mentioned that they haven't received a phone call back since Sept 9, I personally think it's word play and there are other means of communication (email, texting, etc.). I think it's his tactic to have the media and public pressure the Flames, but obviously, it's all speculation.
It's obvious that the Flames have the upper hand (as the case in most negotiations, one party has a bit of an upper hand) but majority of people who negotiate know that the ultimate goal is a win-win with no sour taste in anyones mouth.
I think you're missing the other side:
- Propose a contract favorable to the Flames to make their cap manageable for the best chance to win a Stanley Cup, while still paying fairly to retain the player for the foreseeable future.
- Risk having Johnny hold out and not having him in your lineup. Yes, he makes us a better team.
- Sign Johnny to a bridge deal - Not beneficial to the Flames in the long run, but he can play now.
The Flames are not going to sit there and hold a gun to their RFA's heads and say sign a 8 year 6mil contract or GTFO. There is more at stake:
- Reputation amongst other RFAs- Making Calgary not a preferred destination for RFAs or UFAs. Future college players will pull a Shultz.
- Reputation amongst current Flames - Players would have a bad perception of management and want to get out of Calgary because they don't treat their players right.
- Reputation amongst the league - Won't have the opportunity to get UFA's if Calgary is known for having hostile management.
- Losing a superstar - We need Johnny or players of his caliber, it's that simple.
- Loss of revenue - Johnny provides tons of marketing revenue for the Flames. He can sell seats, jerseys, etc.,
- Loss of fans - we generate money, we want to be happy, we will cut heads off if the process is F-d up.
Johnny's camp does have leverage and there is a lot at stake for the Flames if they screw this up as well. The Flames don't have as much power as you may think
I think it's hilariously unprofessional for his agent to go and comment about open negotiations to the media. If he had any respect for his client he would be working away quietly to try and get a deal done.
Totally agree, so it won't happen. Just think Gross has been bush league as well.
Totally agree. It seems to me that with this interview all leaks on contract negotiations in this instance have come from one side, the player. I hate when they negotiate through the press, all it does it set the fans against your side.
I noticed that Gross also leaked that Saad wanted too much money from Chicago leading to his trade to Columbus and 6 x $6M contract (overpay IMO), and contracts like this that overpay totally screw your teams cap situation.
I'm a die hard Chargers fan and just lived through his exact situation with Joey Bosa. Nobody won. The Chargers are 1-3 and Bosa still hasn't played because he got injured right away from missing camp.
I am sure that just a few years ago the Gaudreau family didn't see a $50,000,000 contract in John's future and I bet he and his family would love to wrap this thing up quickly. Johhny Hockey is about to become richer than he'd ever imagined. Generational wealth. Let's hope all parties have the good sense not to push this too much longer. It would be awful for everyone involved if this agent costs Johnny any games battling over nickels and dimes.
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If you look at this as a negotiation ploy in an attempt to pressure Flames management through the media, you can speculate and poke holes through the entire article:
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“We have no intention of asking for a trade at this time,” he replied. “He wants to stay in Calgary.”
- We aren't going to make Johnny look bad so lets say we aren't requesting a trade. Add "at this time" to cause a bit of panic amongst fans/media to think that it is a possibility.
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What Gross did say is he’d like the pace of negotiations to pick up.
FACT: There are negotiations in play and offers are being thrown around. If the Flames call him out on saying that he told the media that negotiations have stopped, thats not true, he just said that the pace is just slow.
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“Our last conversation with the Flames was on Sept. 9,” he said. “We were told we’d get a call in two days. It hasn’t happened. Next Friday will be a month.”
As mentioned previously, it's possible Gross hasn't received a call. Doesn't mean he hasn't received emails or texts or IM's or google hangouts...
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Reached by phone, Calgary GM Brad Treliving refused to get into a war of words.
“We’re not going to negotiate this publicly. We’ve said several times that we are optimistic this is going to get done. We want Johnny here.”
Flames perspective - F that, we can't cave and play the media game.
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In August, Gross told Calgary there would be no contract discussions during the World Cup, as Gaudreau played for Team North America.
I would be shocked if Treliving wasn't in touch with Gross. At the end of the day, Gross could have been in touch with him but just intended to not relay offers to Johnny until after the tournament. Regardless, Gross threw this out to the media to create a stir.
To me, it's just Gross's attempt to build leverage, which the Flames are trying hard to not engage in a public negotiation. Agents are good negotiators and have TON's of strategies.
I still have no doubt that they're talking and they'll eventually come to something.
Agreed, it is a big ticket amount but how do we know that the team refuses to negotiate? BT has mentioned a ton of times that they're in the process, they're working towards something. And yes, he has those options plus he can request a trade.
While Gross mentioned that they haven't received a phone call back since Sept 9, I personally think it's word play and there are other means of communication (email, texting, etc.). I think it's his tactic to have the media and public pressure the Flames, but obviously, it's all speculation.
It's obvious that the Flames have the upper hand (as the case in most negotiations, one party has a bit of an upper hand) but majority of people who negotiate know that the ultimate goal is a win-win with no sour taste in anyones mouth.
I think you're missing the other side:
The Flames are not going to sit there and hold a gun to their RFA's heads and say sign a 8 year 6mil contract or GTFO. There is more at stake:
- Reputation amongst other RFAs- Making Calgary not a preferred destination for RFAs or UFAs. Future college players will pull a Shultz. - doesn't happen enough to worry about.
- Reputation amongst current Flames - Players would have a bad perception of management and want to get out of Calgary because they don't treat their players right. - players know it is a business and aren't going to screw themselves because they got their feelings hurt, see Drouin in Tampa and he won't get paid next year either because Yzerman has screwed their cap so badly.
- Reputation amongst the league - Won't have the opportunity to get UFA's if Calgary is known for having hostile management. - free agents go to who pays them the most money, period.
- Losing a superstar - We need Johnny or players of his caliber, it's that simple.
- Loss of revenue - Johnny provides tons of marketing revenue for the Flames. He can sell seats, jerseys, etc., - citation please.
- Loss of fans - we generate money, we want to be happy, we will cut heads off if the process is F-d up. - fans came before Johnny, fans will come after him too.
Johnny's camp does have leverage and there is a lot at stake for the Flames if they screw this up as well. The Flames don't have as much power as you may think
- not if he wants to play in the NHL in the next 5 years they don't.
