Being a compulsive liar is exactly the opposite of "telling it like it is". He's not saying anything that comes close to "like it is", because what's he's saying is like it's not.
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I won the debate if you decide without watching the totally one-sided "spin" that followed. This despite the really bad microphone.
The microphone thing is real, though it must have only been for people in attendance as the audio on the broadcast was fine. And people in attendance could still hear as the audience reacted to him numerous times. So his complains are probably overstated.
I do think Trump tells it like it is, it's just his idea of "is" changes from moment to moment depending on external stimulus.
One of the most revealing comments I think was when he was responding to criticisms about his initial comments that women who have abortions should be punished if it was illegal.
"I’ve been told by some people that was an older line answer and that was an answer that was given on a, you know, basis of an older line from years ago on a very conservative basis."
Nothing about if something is right or wrong or why it is a good or bad thing to do, just that it's an older line answer. His is isn't what's thought out, his is is whatever he thinks will get the immediate response he desires.
All the things he says where he shamelessly lies or contradicts himself in the same rambling sentence make sense in that context.
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“Look at this,” she said, pointing to a photo of Michelle Obama with a caption suggesting she is a man. “It’s everywhere.”
And then she began explaining, step by step, how she had come to believe that the first lady might actually be a man named Michael.
She figured it started with the Christian televangelists she had followed since the 1980s. In particular, she loved John Hagee, who had said that the Antichrist would appear as a “blasphemer and a homosexual.” And Jerry Falwell, who had blamed the Sept. 11 attacks on “the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians.”
“Also,” Melanie said, “Falwell disclosed that the first Christmas Bill and Hillary spent in the White House, Hillary collected ornaments from homosexuals all over the world. And those ornaments were hung in the White House foyer.”
And if that wasn’t enough to prove they were “anti-Bible,” she said, the Clintons went on to support allowing closeted gay people to serve in the military, which she saw as a watershed moment when America began turning away from God.
Then came Obama — “Obama and his gay initiatives,” she said — and her suspicions about him deepened with each one. First he supported allowing gays to serve openly in the military. Then gay marriage. Then came the one that struck Melanie as the strangest and most sinister of all: allowing transgender people to use bathrooms matching their gender identity.
“It’s like he wants to classify us — alpha, beta, gamma, delta,” she said, referring to the dystopian future described in the novel “Brave New World.”
As she tried to understand it all, the best explanation she found was that Obama himself must be gay, a notion introduced and reinforced by all sorts of stories and photos and videos showing up in her Facebook feed. Of these, few were more convincing than a video of the late comedian Joan Rivers, which was what brought her to the matter of the first lady.
“Here we go,” she said now, finding it on her phone.
She read the headline out loud: “Joan Rivers died two months after calling Obama gay and Michelle a transvestite.”
And then she scrolled through one YouTube video after another, including a 13-minute 28-second one with more than 1.4 million views that she watched again now. In it, a reporter asks Rivers when America will have its first gay president. “We already have it with Obama, so let’s just calm down,” Rivers says as she walks away, adding, “You know Michelle is a tranny.” “I’m sorry, she’s a what?” the reporter asks. “A transgender,” Rivers replies. “We all know that.”
“So,” Melanie said, explaining why she thought Rivers was serious. “There are societies out there, especially in Hollywood, that we don’t know about. Joan is in the LGTB community; she’s steeped in it. I watch her stuff on E! Anyone knows that.”
“So,” she continued, “I think if she comes out and says we already have a gay in the White House and Michelle is a tranny, I mean, do you think she’s nuts?”
She took a drag on her cigarette.
“Well, I don’t,” she said, and turned her attention to the question of the Obama children.
“Let’s look,” she said, and began googling.
She started with mrconservative.com, where there was a story, headlined “Evidence Michelle Obama Never Gave Birth to Malia & Sasha,” that said: “We have seen pictures of Barack and Michelle dating back far before they had children, like shots from their wedding, but when it comes to what would have been Michelle’s childbearing years, there is absolutely nothing. Not one picture of her pregnant or with a newborn baby.” It continued: “Ancestry.com and GenealogyBank.com have no records of Malia or Sasha being born,” and also said that “Malia and Sasha [bear] little resemblance to their parents,” which “could very well be because the two girls were adopted, possibly from Morocco.” After reading that, Melanie scrolled through links to versions of the story on americasfreedomfighters.com and redflagnews.com and others among the dozens of similar websites that have proliferated in recent years and draw millions of visitors each month. She looked up from her phone.
“I think those kids were kidnapped,” she said. “We should be looking for those kids’ parents.”
About two years ago my Trump supporting father in law told me Obama was shutting down the lead mines around the US as a left wing plot to limit ammunition resources in order to stop people from bearing arms. He then ranted about how there's no damned proof that lead is bad for human health, and that he played with a lot of lead when he was a kid. Oh the irony.
Donald J. Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, a tax deduction so substantial it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years, records obtained by The New York Times show.
The 1995 tax records, never before disclosed, reveal the extraordinary tax benefits that Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, derived from the financial wreckage he left behind in the early 1990s through mismanagement of three Atlantic City casinos, his ill-fated foray into the airline business and his ill-timed purchase of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.
Tax experts hired by The Times to analyze Mr. Trump’s 1995 records said tax rules that are especially advantageous to wealthy filers would have allowed Mr. Trump to use his $916 million loss to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income over an 18-year period.
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Well I'm guessing he just took a bath that year financially, push a lot of things into that one year and use the tax break later on. Legal of course, but losing over $900 million is pretty insane. The Apprentice really saved him.
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For a second night in a row, Donald Trump told a vastly white audience of supporters on Saturday that they should go to neighborhoods other than their own on Election Day and "watch."
Trump didn't elaborate on what they should watch for, telling his crowd in this rural Pennsylvania town that he didn't want to lose the election "because of you know what I'm talking about." Trump's comments were interpreted by voting-rights advocates and others as a subtle but menacing call for his supporters to intimidate at the polls.
"You've got to go out, and you've got to get your friends, and you've got to get everybody you know, and you gotta watch the polling booths, because I hear too many stories about Pennsylvania, certain areas," Trump said during a rambling speech. "I hear too many bad stories, and we can't lose an election because of you know what I'm talking about. So, go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen, and we don't want to lose for that reason. We don't want to lose — but especially, we don't want to lose for that reason. So go over and watch. And watch carefully because we're going to win the state of Pennsylvania."
Now Trump is saying that Hillary has been unfaithful. I'm thinking this tack just isn't.......sane? Trump keeps bolstering his ego with these mini Nuremberg rallies every couple of nights. The adulation he receives from the mouth breather population of each city he visits is the only drug he needs, right? (ok, maybe some other supplements)
Meanwhile, Hillary's campaign has probably manufactured several ads using footage from tonight's festivities.
So Trump saying he pays no tax make him "smart" is really him saying he sucks at business.
I think that what he is saying is that he is utilizing the governments policies on corporate taxation, as he should. He then went on to say the government would squander it.
The media then turns it into a twist that he is lying and cheating and laughing all the way to the bank. While I am not a trump supporter I do not like stories being manipulated to this extent. The IRS does not mess around when there is criminal activity which is why he says he has been audited yearly.
The moral dilemma for the public is in that he admitting he benefitted from stupid government policy; the law. I'd put forth companies like Apple and hundreds more that have offloaded and abused the same policies tenfold. That the law of the land has been manipulated by special interest and in government. Trumps error is he does not go onto say that he will reform this and hold corporations accountable for their tax burden to society. Which ultimately means product prices will increase.
Hillary has abused the law and set her fund up in Canada to disguise donors and generous non accountable withdrawals.
The whole microphone issue, whatever it was has been admitted.Yet mainstream media just continues to hammer the "ridiculousness" of him claiming it to be so. Can't we just except the microphone was ####ed and put him at a disadvantage and it is known because the debate auditors have admitted this?
With the above happening is it fair to say that both the republicans and the democrats have partaken in election fraud? Maybe we should ask Al Gore. The establishment is not shy about slicing necks.
Then we move on to the claim that many people that work for him are unpaid. It's very common in the industry Trump is in that people go unpaid for non deliverable or unsatisfactory work or fraudulent bills outside the scope of the quote. These projects which he has completed are complex and could not be built without paying. It's ridiculous to imagine that all these projects are done and people aren't paid.
Is he a good business man? I don't know. He has nine lives, always ends up on his feet.
There is no good choice in this election, but the left wing ludicrous claims are just as ludicrous as the right wing. It's a sad state of affairs.
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