[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

To be fair Ken King is a lawyer and a business man AND was speaking to season ticket holders at a season ticket event so wouldn't be shocked if he was just trying to calm the tier 1 fans nerves down.

He's not a lawyer.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by iamnotkenking

he's not a lawyer.

You sure seem know a lot about ken king, iamnotkenking

Originally Posted by getbak

a lawyer? Isn't king a newspaper guy?

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

yes, my bad. For some reason i was thinking he's a lawyer as well.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by btimbit

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Ya, I was a little late...

[btimbit]

Burke's the lawyer of the bunch I think

[GreenLantern2814]

"Gaudreauvertime" is a goddamn great handle, and I sincerely wish someone more likeable had come up with it. I think if his name were more forgettable, we'd all be more forgiving.

You know how you feel when a smoking hot chick says she hates puppies? Gaudreauvertime.

[CaptainYooh]

Ken King is a newspaper man. He was a publisher of Calgary Sun and, later, Calgary Herald. He also had a very short stint with a land developer, Walton, I believe before joining Calgary Flames (although I could be wrong on this part).

[otisthedog]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, I have read through most of the thread and didn't see it. It seems people are a bit touchy and getting nervous. I thought maybe history can settle the nerves a little.

The Flames last superstar player came off his entry level contract as the teams leading scorer, the negotiations went slowly and he took out insurance to go to training camp without a contract. The "holdout" lasted three games of the regular season when the two sides agreed on a number. Jarome Iginla went on to break many club records and played in Flames uniform for 13 more seasons, was named captain, won two Rocket Richard awards and was widely considered the best player in the game in his prime.

My point is, a negotiation can be difficult and even get nasty, but positive outcomes can happen. I fully expect that Johnny wants to play in Calgary, that a fair number will be reached (this is a tricky negotiation with an unusual player) and Johnny Gaudreau will be a Flame for years to come.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by otisthedog

I don't know if this has been mentioned, I have read through most of the thread and didn't see it. It seems people are a bit touchy and getting nervous. I thought maybe history can settle the nerves a little.

The Flames last superstar player came off his entry level contract as the teams leading scorer, the negotiations went slowly and he took out insurance to go to training camp without a contract. The "holdout" lasted three games of the regular season when the two sides agreed on a number. Jarome Iginla went on to break many club records and played in Flames uniform for 13 more seasons, was named captain, won two Rocket Richard awards and was widely considered the best player in the game in his prime.

My point is, a negotiation can be difficult and even get nasty, but positive outcomes can happen. I fully expect that Johnny wants to play in Calgary, that a fair number will be reached (this is a tricky negotiation with an unusual player) and Johnny Gaudreau will be a Flame for years to come.

Jamie Benn is another one. He missed the first five games of the season coming out of the lockout (which is the equivalent of missing 8 or 9 in a full season). Now, he's the captain in Dallas, and has already signed a big 8 year extension that kicks in next year.

His second contract only bought 1 year of UFA rights.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

King was being honest about where the negotiations stand. He was being optimistic about when a contract will be signed.

Surely you see the difference?

How do you know he wasn't being honest when he made the comments on when a contract will be signed?

The only difference here is the one you seem to be conjuring up in your own head. Again, your taking one point Ken King made at face value and finding ways to discredit other points because they don't fit your arguement. It doesn't make sense.

Unless your arguement is just full of #### to begin with, then it makes total sense.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

How do you know he wasn't being honest when he made the comments on when a contract will be signed?

The only difference here is the one you seem to be conjuring up in your own head. Again, your taking one point Ken King made at face value and finding ways to discredit other points because they don't fit your arguement. It doesn't make sense.

Unless your arguement is just full of #### to begin with, then it makes total sense.

He made two comments. One was about the current state, and one was about the future. Which comment is more likely to end up being true?

If the weatherman says it's currently raining, but next week it will definitely be snowing, which statement is most likely to be true?

I'm not saying Johnny won't be signed in 2 weeks, but it's foolish to guarantee a contract while simultaneously admitting the two sides aren't close. It just doesn't make any sense, unless King plans on caving to Johnny's demands. I don't doubt he believes a contract will be done, but we heard before that he'd be signed by the WC and it hasn't happened.

[Frequitude]

To go with the Iginla and Benn reassurances, let's not forget that Johnny is just one of multiple stud RFAs still unsigned.

Gaudreau, Kucherov, Lindholm, Ristolainen, Trouba

[442scotty]

We won the game last night without Johnny.... But...

Flames with Johnny = butter. Without = margarine
Flames with Johnny = Starkist! Without = Charlie

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

To go with the Iginla and Benn reassurances, let's not forget that Johnny is just one of multiple stud RFAs still unsigned.

Gaudreau, Kucherov, Lindholm, Ristolainen, Trouba

This is strangely reassuring, it's what I have kept coming back to in my mind. Then I remember how Trouba demanded a trade and Ristolainen is at camp.

Still. Kucherov and Lindholm. Big time players

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by otisthedog

I don't know if this has been mentioned, I have read through most of the thread and didn't see it. It seems people are a bit touchy and getting nervous. I thought maybe history can settle the nerves a little.

The Flames last superstar player came off his entry level contract as the teams leading scorer, the negotiations went slowly and he took out insurance to go to training camp without a contract. The "holdout" lasted three games of the regular season when the two sides agreed on a number. Jarome Iginla went on to break many club records and played in Flames uniform for 13 more seasons, was named captain, won two Rocket Richard awards and was widely considered the best player in the game in his prime.

My point is, a negotiation can be difficult and even get nasty, but positive outcomes can happen. I fully expect that Johnny wants to play in Calgary, that a fair number will be reached (this is a tricky negotiation with an unusual player) and Johnny Gaudreau will be a Flame for years to come.

Iginla is a bad example.


In the era of the Salary Cap Iginla was one of the highest paid players in the league. He did win numerous individual accolades , Gold medals etc. 30+ goals every year

The Flames did not do as well... from 2006 -2013 not winning a playoff series and playing in a total of 26 playoff games. That is one of the lowest number of playoff games over that 8 year period.

For contrast the Canucks had 80 playoff games.

Both teams always spent to the cap. Iginla made 56 M the Sedins each made 36.4 M

was it the extra cap space that made the Canucks more successful?

Will the Stars be successful as a team when Benn's 9.5 Million kicks in and they have to cut elsewhere?

I am far more interested in Flames success as a team over any individual players accomplishments.


I counted/calculated teh Canucks playoff game wrong

Here is the list of Playoff games by team in the Cap era with Iginla on the Flames:

Detroit Red Wings 111
Pittsburgh Penguins 90
San Jose Sharks 90
Boston Bruins 85
Chicago Blackhawks 75
Philadelphia Flyers 74
Anaheim Ducks 69
Vancouver Canucks 68
New York Rangers 68
New Jersey Devils 61
Washington Capitals 58
Ottawa Senators 57
Montréal Canadiens 53
Los Angeles Kings 50
Buffalo Sabres 47
Nashville Predators 44
Carolina Hurricanes 43
Dallas Stars 30
Tampa Bay Lightning 29
Phoenix Coyotes 27
Calgary Flames 26
Colorado Avalanche 25
Edmonton Oilers 24
St. Louis Blues 19
Minnesota Wild 16
New York Islanders 11
Florida Panthers 7
Toronto Maple Leafs 7
Atlanta Thrashers 4
Columbus Blue Jackets 4

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

He made two comments. One was about the current state, and one was about the future. Which comment is more likely to end up being true?

If the weatherman says it's currently raining, but next week it will definitely be snowing, which statement is most likely to be true?

I'm not saying Johnny won't be signed in 2 weeks, but it's foolish to guarantee a contract while simultaneously admitting the two sides aren't close. It just doesn't make any sense, unless King plans on caving to Johnny's demands. I don't doubt he believes a contract will be done, but we heard before that he'd be signed by the WC and it hasn't happened.

Seriously? A weatherman trying to predict the weather is nothing like Ken King predicting the outcome of Johny signing. If you need to be explained the difference, then there really is no helping you.

And it certainly isn't foolish of King to say the deal will be done, not if he feels that's the case. And you have nothing to disprove that but your own foolish beliefs.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Seriously? A weatherman trying to predict the weather is nothing like Ken King predicting the outcome of Johny signing. If you need to be explained the difference, then there really is no helping you.

And it certainly isn't foolish of King to say the deal will be done, not if he feels that's the case. And you have nothing to disprove that but your own foolish beliefs.

Ignoring the part where you didn't answer the question . . .if the parties are still far apart, what should make King feel like the signing is guaranteed in the next 2 weeks?

Like I said, unless they plan on caving there is no logical way he can make that guarantee, correct? It's not something in his control. Much like the weather.

He knows they currently are far apart.
He believes a deal will get done in 2 weeks.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Ignoring the part where you didn't answer the question . . .if the parties are still far apart, what should make King feel like the signing is guaranteed in the next 2 weeks?

Like I said, unless they plan on caving there is no logical way he can make that guarantee, correct? It's not something in his control. Much like the weather.

He knows they currently are far apart.
He believes a deal will get done in 2 weeks.

I would think King would be closer to the conversations and by making any comment that it will be done is positive coming from an organization that is as tight with info as the flames.it is all context, what is a sizeable gap? We know they are are working at it and by all accounts things look good. Conroy also mentioned they are talking and have been. Maybe the rate of progress in talks ģives him the reassurance things will be done.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I would think King would be closer to the conversations and by making any comment that it will be done is positive coming from an organization that is as tight with info as the flames.it is all context, what is a sizeable gap? We know they are are working at it and by all accounts things look good. Conroy also mentioned they are talking and have been. Maybe the rate of progress in talks ģives him the reassurance things will be done.

They've been making those comments all summer. I don't see much positivity out of what he said because it's not different than what they've been saying all along, I guess to keep away any negative speculation (though Conroy made it sound like it might stretch on a bit longer)

The news from King on the gap is what is alarming, essentially the organization confirming for the first time what has been "speculated" by McKenzie and Francis.

I'm still hopeful. But I'm at the point where talk is cheap, they need to stop saying it will get done and just get it done.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Ignoring the part where you didn't answer the question . . .if the parties are still far apart, what should make King feel like the signing is guaranteed in the next 2 weeks?

Like I said, unless they plan on caving there is no logical way he can make that guarantee, correct? It's not something in his control. Much like the weather.

He knows they currently are far apart.
He believes a deal will get done in 2 weeks.

I didn't ignore anything, you just didn't ask it.

And the fact that the two sides are apart on money and the fact that King thinks a deal will get done in two weeks are NOT mutually exclusive. They could be apart but King could very well have information or assurances that tell him a deal is getting done. Both scenarios could very well be true.What part of that do you not understand?

The fact is you simply have no clue what's going on because you aren't a part of the process. So to predict the outcome may be something out of YOUR control. But it would be foolish to think Kind doesn't know what's going on with negotiations. And even if he doesn't have control, he doesn't need it to predict an outcome. Just the knowledge of what's happening.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Ignoring the part where you didn't answer the question . . .

What?!?!?!?

Someone didn't answer your question? Oh the Horrors!!!!
That's what you do. It's kind of your thing.
You make statements with nothing to back it up, other than the crazy in your own head.
You ignore what everyone else says that doesn't help you argument.

I guess that's my "Fortune 500" negotiation lesson. Money well spent