CalgaryNEXT Discussion pt. 2

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Aussie Rules?

In relation to what? NFL or Rugby? Aussie Rules is pretty unique.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

What other country has a comparable between the CFL and NFL? Their own second tier pro league version, with different rules, of a sport where the league with the biggest footprint in the world is easily available for consumption?

You just described every hockey league not in North America.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by New Era

You just described every hockey league not in North America.

And no one in those countries feel their league is an inferior product?

edit: I will admit though, I'm more open to civic support of a stadium than an arena + WV redevelopment. As long as the stadium is used by the University and starts getting more events. Plus a push towards MLS.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by nik-

In relation to what? NFL or Rugby? Aussie Rules is pretty unique.

I don't know. Rugby? I always thought it was a varient of rugby but I don't really know.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not discounting a new arena at all. Some events just aren't designed for a hockey arena. Festival events aren't designed for an arena. Extreme sports events aren't designed for an arena. Just because some of these events do not appeal to you does not mean they do not appeal to others. Also, thinking small like you do pretty well guarantees that future entertainment options are a no go. You can't get a soccer team without a facility that meets the standards of a league. You can't get access to championship events without championship quality facilities. You want to run with the big boys, you need big boy pants.

Ottawa had one big concert since the place opened - ACDC which was the opening event. Hamilton had Keith Urban who normally plays arenas.

You're probably looking at 1 big event every 3 years.

Not sure what festival or extreme sports events that would come to a Calgary stadium that would generate any buzz or notice for the city.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Even if we had the same facilities, Calgary would still get skipped. It's a numbers game, it's usually either Edmonton or Calgary, but not both. And that ain't changing either.

If you say so. With your vast knowledge of everything Calgary and all these certainties it's kind of surprising you aren't working high up in city hall.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not discounting a new arena at all. Some events just aren't designed for a hockey arena. Festival events aren't designed for an arena. Extreme sports events aren't designed for an arena. Just because some of these events do not appeal to you does not mean they do not appeal to others. Also, thinking small like you do pretty well guarantees that future entertainment options are a no go. You can't get a soccer team without a facility that meets the standards of a league. You can't get access to championship events without championship quality facilities. You want to run with the big boys, you need big boy pants.

The fieldhouse is supposed to primarily be an amateur athletic facility, not a new concert/event venue. By the way, the more concerts/events you put in there, the less publicly available time there is, making it much more of a Flames/Stamps venue than an actual fieldhouse, it's alleged intention.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not discounting a new arena at all. Some events just aren't designed for a hockey arena. Festival events aren't designed for an arena. Extreme sports events aren't designed for an arena. Just because some of these events do not appeal to you does not mean they do not appeal to others. Also, thinking small like you do pretty well guarantees that future entertainment options are a no go. You can't get a soccer team without a facility that meets the standards of a league. You can't get access to championship events without championship quality facilities. You want to run with the big boys, you need big boy pants.

Which types of festival events can only go in a 25,000 seat stadium instead of other locations in and around the city? Which extreme sports events can only go in a 25,000 seat stadium instead of other locations in and around the city?

On soccer, I'll give you that one as a possibility. But I don't want to get into a build it and they will come situation. Tell me you're going to come and from which league and then I'll decide if I want to build it.

On championship events, which specific championship events are you referring to outside of the Grey Cup? Because I'm pretty sure there's nothing holding us back from hosting a Grey Cup in a renovated McMahon.

On "big boy", who are these "big boys" you are referring to and why do I need to run with them?

When answering the above be specific, because what you listed really just sounded like a bunch of pixie dust and magic beans.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

And no one in those countries feel their league is an inferior product?

edit: I will admit though, I'm more open to civic support of a stadium than an arena + WV redevelopment. As long as the stadium is used by the University and starts getting more events. Plus a push towards MLS.

Should MLS teams never get any support from team cities because it's 2nd tier soccer? Should we abolish all leagues that aren't considered top tier?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Should MLS teams never get any support from team cities because it's 2nd tier soccer? Should we abolish all leagues that aren't considered top tier?

I guess if that's the direction you want to take in this argument that's up to you. MLS is the top tier in North America. My comment was in relation to why the CFL gets "slagged"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The fieldhouse is supposed to primarily be an amateur athletic facility, not a new concert/event venue. By the way, the more concerts/events you put in there, the less publicly available time there is, making it much more of a Flames/Stamps venue than an actual fieldhouse, it's alleged intention.

The Flames have never billed the field house as an event center. It's the arena they have proposed as the event center. I'm sure larger concerts or festivities could be housed in the field house a few days a year without overly disrupting public availability.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If you say so. With your vast knowledge of everything Calgary and all these certainties it's kind of surprising you aren't working high up in city hall.

It's remarkably simple to figure out. Most bands/artists go on about 40 city tours, give or take a few dates. Most bands play 2-4 shows in Canada. Calgary is not in top 40 metro areas in Canada and the US, and not in the top 4 in Canada. It's just math, Calgary and Edmonton are usually fighting for one act that won't go to both.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Flames have never billed the field house as an event center. It's the arena they have proposed as the event center. I'm sure larger concerts or festivities could be housed in the field house a few days a year without overly disrupting public availability.

The city can build its own fieldhouse and never disrupt availability. Seems like a better deal to me. $200 million for a facility with blackout dates is not a great use of public money for a public facility when they can have a blackout free facility.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

I guess if that's the direction you want to take in this argument that's up to you. MLS is the top tier in North America. My comment was in relation to why the CFL gets "slagged"

Well then CFL is the top tier in Canada isn't it?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well then CFL is the top tier in Canada isn't it?

It is, but there's a product that many people find superior easily consumable on TV every week in the same time zones. There's a difference between that and someone preferring the Premier League over MLS. Obviously the Premier League is a superior product, but it's also not setup for a North American audience.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

It's remarkably simple to figure out. Most bands/artists go on about 40 city tours, give or take a few dates. Most bands play 2-4 shows in Canada. Calgary is not in top 40 metro areas in Canada or the US, and not in the top 4 in Canada. It's just math, Calgary and Edmonton are usually fighting for one act that won't go to both.

I can assure you "most" bands/artists do more than 2-4 shows in Canada. The Saddledome roof has been the reason large stage acts have bypassed Calgary.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

It is, but there's a product that many people find superior easily consumable on TV every week in the same time zones. There's a difference between that and someone preferring the Premier League over MLS. Obviously the Premier League is a superior product, but it's also not setup for a North American audience.

Funny there's plenty of Premier League soccer on Canadian television. I think you've lost this argument. Call it tier two or whatever you want the CFL does very well in TV ratings as the average CFL telecast does as well or better than the back half game of HNIC. It's our sport and Canadians follow it second tier or not.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Funny there's plenty of Premier League soccer on Canadian television. I think you've lost this argument.

at 7 am.

Regardless, my comment was why people slag the CFL. Not about the arena, I couldn't care less about "winning an argument" with you on this. You're firmly in the "bend over and pay for it" camp. As a Lethbridge resident none the less.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

at 7 am.

Regardless, my comment was why people slag the CFL. Not about the arena, I couldn't care less about "winning an argument" with you on this. You're firmly in the "bend over and pay for it" camp. As a Lethbridge resident none the less.

Lethbridge?

[nik-]

I was under the impression you lived there, apologies if that's incorrect. I seem to recall you talking about coming up from there to watch games. Or somewhere.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Honestly I don't know enough to provide a good answer to that.

You and me both. I'm just full of questions.