[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

This (and the other) thread are almost ENTIRELY based on unverifiable information and conjecture!!!

Thing is, CroFlames post sounds like the most reasonable and logical opinion based on what we DO know - Trelivings past dealings.

(Caps for Emphasis, not yelling)

I will admit that compared to all of Treliving's previous dealings, this does seem drawn out and painful. However, I'm still not willing to assign any blame at this point, which has been my point the entire time. It could just as easily be the Flames refusing to move off 6.5m as it could be Gaudreau unwilling to move off 8.5m. We just don't know. It's also worth considering that Gaudreau is the highest profile player Treliving has had to deal with to date. For all we know, Murray Edwards has picked this as his hill to die on. Maybe Johnny just wants out? Who the hell knows?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Actually, with the season still two weeks from opening and many of these guys coming off WCOH, it's still very early in negotiating game.

There's something extra funny about this tweet considering the fever pitch that the Johnny threads have reached over the last week or so.

People here are increasingly throwing out theories that he must not want to play here and is going back east etc.

Meanwhile for the Flames and the player, the negotiations have barely just begun to heat up.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Trade him. Arrogant bastard.

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Not really impressed with both sides, but in particular Gaudreau's side. For someone who has been known to be humble, a team player and will do whatever it takes to win, his side sure looks pretty greedy right now.

Originally Posted by dammage79

If this goes to missed regular season games, I couldn't care less about Gaudreau. Trade him and move on.

Originally Posted by Dajazz

If he's asking for 8 million, good riddance. Is there any WINGER in the league worth that money? Kane, yes, hardware says hi. Benn? Probably.

8 million second contract? No, Johnny. No. If he turns in to Kane 2.0 it's all good. If. IF. Two seasons on a run and gun offense under Hartley and no hardware to show.

I sincerely hope the rumors aren't true. Send him east for a king's ransom if he holds out for 8m.

Originally Posted by speede5

Considering the Flames burned a year on his contract by playing him for one game and how much that helped him it's kinda greasy to be hardballing the team now.

Yikes. Looks like some disparaging comments towards Johnny from a vocal minority.

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We're really belittling Monahan now to try to build up Johnny's value?

Nobody is belittling Monahan anymore so than they are belittling Johnny. There have been tons of posts critiquing Johnny's past performance and questioning his ability to perform in the future. As well as people calling into question his personal character. Questioning Monahan's dependency on Gaudreau is completely legitimate in that scope.

Originally Posted by CroFlames

There is no doubt in my mind that Brad offered Johnny a fair and equitably deal.

I take it you think a 8yr 6.38M - 6.75M AAV offer is equitable and fair? That's an insult. Its no wonder the two sides aren't talking.

[nik-]

I'd love for someone to insult me like that.

[CroFlames]

Gaudreauvertime Strikes Back

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I take it you think a 8yr 6.38M - 6.75M AAV offer is equitable and fair? That's an insult. Its no wonder the two sides aren't talking.

So the deal everyone else is getting with some similar stats and career trajectory's is an insult to Gaudreau? That isn't even considering that some of these others guys bring a a lot more to the table than points, which as much as I love Gaudreau, that basically all he brings.

I wasn't even going to go down that road with Gaudreau, but your level of puck bunny has brought me to it. I've never seen a poster make want to dislike a player on my own team as much as you do.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Yikes. Looks like some disparaging comments towards Johnny from a vocal minority.



Nobody is belittling Monahan anymore so than they are belittling Johnny. There have been tons of posts critiquing Johnny's past performance and questioning his ability to perform in the future. As well as people calling into question his personal character. Questioning Monahan's dependency on Gaudreau is completely legitimate in that scope.



I take it you think a 8yr 6.38M - 6.75M AAV offer is equitable and fair? That's an insult. Its no wonder the two sides aren't talking.

Really? An Insult? Seems like asking $8M is insulting to the team. So, just like the majority of posters in this thread is suggesting, maybe they should meet in the middle at $7.25M for 6 or 7 years. Seems fair and NOT INSULTING to both sides.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Or a good comparison if Gaudreau follows a similar trajectory also a big reason why no way in hell do we sign him to 8 million a year. I also wonder if it's possible we are in a Trouba like situation if we really are that far apart.

No it is a bad comparison

Johnny has never stagnated. Every year since we drafted him he has taken a step forward. As I mentioned earlier in the thread

Year 1- ppg rookie of the year
Year 2- world Jr star 1.5ppg honey baker nominee
Year 3- 2ppg Hobey baker winner
Year 4- 24 goal, 64pt NHL rookie Calder nominee
Year 5- 30 goal 78pt 6th in league scoring

No where does that show me he is about to hit a wall

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

So every single young gun with similar stats/trajectory to Johnny are signing between 6 and 7 (mostly closer to 6), but Johnny deserves more? No way.

The only guy who got above 7 was Taransenko and he has a hell of a lot more leverage than Johnny does with the offer sheet and probably willingness to bolt to Russia.

I wouldn't even be opposed to matching Taransenko's contract as a fan, but I can see why management wouldn't. They hold all the cards here.

I'm just saying you shouldn't compare Panarin to Gaudreau like that, the situations are different. Like it or not, Tarasenko set the market at 8/60m. Consideration should be made for Gaudreau's extra RFA year of course but it's hard to imagine any 7/8 year deal at any lower than 7m. If the Flames think they can just change the market, I guess all the power to them but I don't think they will be successful.

Personally I think 8 x 7.25m, 7 x 7m and 6 x 6.75m are all reasonable/fair contracts for both sides. If Gaudreau wants something with an 8 in front of it, he's out to lunch. If the Flames want something with that starts with a 6 then they probably aren't getting a 7 or 8 year deal (which would be a fail IMO).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so you agree that Voracek's contract was a huge mistake?

In 2015-16 Voracek (a scary mediocre season for Voracek) was a much better road player than Gaudreau.

There are some warning signs in Gaudreau's potential.

The way that the folks here are talking about Gaudreau is like he was Toews, Kane, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Tavares where they came into the league and were supposed to dominate and actually did.

Gaudreau at 22 is no where near the level of these players were at at 20.

Actually when you compare a 20 year old Gaudreau to a 20 year old Monahan you give Monahan a better long term contract. In a couple of years how good will Monahan be?



I think that part of the problem is there has a been a string of under-performing 1st round overall picks... Hall, RNH, Yakapov that Gaudreau has shown to be better than..... that is a pretty low bar.

I never said the Voracek contract was good I agree it was a bad deal.

Again comparing Johnny to elite Stsrs that made the NHL as 18 year olds isn't really fair for the simple fact Johnny was 5'6 135lbs when he was picked. The skill was there but HUGE question marks about his ability to play in the NHL were there. He has since proven that his size will not hold him back. His elusiveness and vision allow him to dominate while being incredibly small compared to most other players.

Jamie Benn was a nobody at 18-20 so he doesn't deserve his huge money deal? That is the logic you seem to be presenting here. I personally believe Johnny will figure his road woes out and when he does that will put him in the Art Ross conversation

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Pendantic Crap that's been spewed forth ad nauseum by you

Oh Goody. You're back. Why are you so freaking vociferous about this ONE player? It's gone beyond annoying and well into the "Creepy Guy in the corner" territory. I have NEVER seen anyone take posts so personally before and you're not even the subject of the posts that you are getting so worked up about. Unless you actually are Johnny, and if that's the case, well I lost a LOT of respect for him then. But we know you aren't. Just a person with an unhealthy obsession about a kid who plays hockey, and how much that kid should get paid.

Seriously and I mean this, Turn off your computer, push away from the desk, and go outside for a while. Play in the leaves, smoke a big fat bowl, feed the ducks, I don't care. But do anything healthier than continuing to obsess about Johnny and what CP thinks is a fair offer.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I'm just saying you shouldn't compare Panarin to Gaudreau like that, the situations are different. Like it or not, Tarasenko set the market at 8/60m. Consideration should be made for Gaudreau's extra RFA year of course but it's hard to imagine any 7/8 year deal at any lower than 7m. If the Flames think they can just change the market, I guess all the power to them but I don't think they will be successful.

Personally I think 8 x 7.25m, 7 x 7m and 6 x 6.75m are all reasonable/fair contracts for both sides. If Gaudreau wants something with an 8 in front of it, he's out to lunch. If the Flames want something with that starts with a 6 then they probably aren't getting a 7 or 8 year deal (which would be a fail IMO).

For a guy who scored 37 goals and then 40 goals in back to back seasons, sure, he set that market.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

So the deal everyone else is getting with some similar stats and career trajectory's is an insult to Gaudreau? That isn't even considering that some of these others guys bring a a lot more to the table than points, which as much as I love Gaudreau, that basically all he brings.

Please, show me all these players that have similar stats and career trajectory that signed ~6.5M deals at term. The only guy who has come close? Tarasenko, but even his numbers were pretty significantly worse, and he signed a 7.5M deal last year.

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Really? An Insult? Seems like asking $8M is insulting to the team. So, just like the majority of posters in this thread is suggesting, maybe they should meet in the middle at $7.25M for 6 or 7 years. Seems fair and NOT INSULTING to both sides.

Do you think offering ~6.5M for 8 years is at all equitable? Because that is what the reports indicate is being offered, and CroFlames is certain their offer is fair and equitable.

Like I have said in the past, 7.25M for 6 or 7 years seems equitable.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Yikes. Looks like some disparaging comments towards Johnny from a vocal minority.

Nobody is belittling Monahan anymore so than they are belittling Johnny. There have been tons of posts critiquing Johnny's past performance and questioning his ability to perform in the future. As well as people calling into question his personal character. Questioning Monahan's dependency on Gaudreau is completely legitimate in that scope.

I take it you think a 8yr 6.38M - 6.75M AAV offer is equitable and fair? That's an insult. Its no wonder the two sides aren't talking.

So....when it comes down to it you're really just trolling all of us? No need to answer, I won't see it...just glad to have the confirmation.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by nik-

For a guy who scored 37 goals and then 40 goals in back to back seasons, sure, he set that market.

He signed his deal before he scored 40 goals, after his 37 goal 73 point season. Are you telling me that a 30 goals 78 point season is objectively worse than that?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Oh Goody. You're back. Why are you so freaking vociferous about this ONE player? It's gone beyond annoying and well into the "Creepy Guy in the corner" territory. I have NEVER seen anyone take posts so personally before and you're not even the subject of the posts that you are getting so worked up about. Unless you actually are Johnny, and if that's the case, well I lost a LOT of respect for him then. But we know you aren't. Just a person with an unhealthy obsession about a kid who plays hockey, and how much that kid should get paid.

Seriously and I mean this, Turn off your computer, push away from the desk, and go outside for a while. Play in the leaves, smoke a big fat bowl, feed the ducks, I don't care. But do anything healthier than continuing to obsess about Johnny and what CP thinks is a fair offer.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I was just responding to multiple requests for me to cite instances of people making negative comments about Johnny.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

He signed his deal before he scored 40 goals, after his 37 goal 73 point season. Are you telling me that a 30 goals 78 point season is objectively worse than that?

goals are worth more, always have been.

[Gaskal]

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by nik-

For a guy who scored 37 goals and then 40 goals in back to back seasons, sure, he set that market.

There's more to this than one stat and you know it. Gaudreau is the type of player that elevates others, Tarasenko is more of a trigger man, and a great one at that. Two different types of players, but both in the same tier. Not sure why you're trying to reduce this to such simplistic terms. I'd guess it's nothing more than you trying to score some 'thanks' as per usual.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by nik-

goals are worth more, always have been.

Sure, but are 7 goals worth more than 12 assists? I think its close, I'd lead towards the 12 assists being more valuable.