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Old 09-25-2016, 04:02 PM   #581
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This is why 12's are insufferable. The Canucks fans of the NFL.
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^^Didn't you suggest the NFL rigged the game against the Seahawks last week because they wanted a win in the return of football to LA? So I know you're a huge Seahawks fan and don't like that you think I'm dismissing them already, but I actually said AFC ironically, so your overreaction here to the belief I snubbed the Seahawks is pretty funny since it's also wrong. Seahawks will be right there in the NFC, don't worry. But Denver and New England are just a class above, sorry.
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Get bent. Typical for this thread.
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^^Didn't you suggest the NFL rigged the game against the Seahawks last week because they wanted a win in the return of football to LA? So I know you're a huge Seahawks fan and don't like that you I'm dismissing them already, but I actually said AFC ironically, so your overreaction here to the belief I snubbed the Seahawks is pretty funny since it's also wrong. Seahawks will be right there in the NFC, don't worry. But Denver and New England are just a class above, sorry.
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You are a typical half wit Pats fan. I have offered up unbiased, analytics-based support for my point of view and SCD has offered his single opinion based on 3 games of the regular season, then you jump in with ad hominems that don't add anything to the discussion and you tell me to stay classy. OK, I won't. You are a tool.
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Old 09-25-2016, 04:18 PM   #588
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Wilson with an ugly knee/ankle twist (other side from the week 1 injury), so Boykin now in.

On the other side, SF looks less organized with Kelly than it did last year with that deer in the headlights coach Tomsula last year.
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Answer my question.


Why does he need to answer your question which has absolutely nothing to do with the AFC championship possibilities?

That is what the discussion was about and then you went all Seattle-psychofan and interjected them into a conversation you are apparently having with yourself.

Seriously...what do the Hawks have to do with Denver and New England possibly meeting in a playoff game?
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you are a typical half wit pats fan. I have offered up unbiased, analytics-based support for my point of view and scd has offered his single opinion based on 3 games of the regular season, then you jump in with ad hominems that don't add anything to the discussion and you tell me to stay classy. Ok, i won't. You are a tool.
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Everyone who isn't a Seahawks fan is a Pats fan
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Answer my question.
I like Football Outsiders. But their information is more relevant in week 10 and not now. Too small a sample size, and lets face it the Seahawks have faced 3 of the 5 worst offenses in the NFL so far this year. Philly is #1 in overall ranking, they've looked nice but you'd have them as at least 10 point underdog against Denver or New England. Do you think San Diego is better than Seattle? FO does.
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I like Football Outsiders. But their information is more relevant in week 10 and not now. Too small a sample size, and lets face it the Seahawks have faced 3 of the 5 worst offenses in the NFL so far this year. Philly is #1 in overall ranking, they've looked nice but you'd have them as at least 10 point underdog against Denver or New England. Do you think San Diego is better than Seattle? FO does.
Ok, so you've confirmed for me that your opinion is more valid than FO analytics. Ok, you're entitled to that pov like anyone else. How this discussion came to include the whole league is when SCD was waxing eloquent about the Broncos D and how the were the best in the business. So I didn't go Seahawks phycho fan at all. I stated what is backed up by stats and analytics.
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What the hell happened in here? Salty Hawks fan losing it because they're not getting enough respect? Ok, you can call yourself the best defence. Y'all be crazy.

I haven't seen any games yet today, am I to understand Siemien is now Dan Marino and Wentz is the new Rothlisberger?
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Philly does look legit...no question about it. Wentz playing very well but their defense is getting after it.
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Ok, so you've confirmed for me that your opinion is more valid than FO analytics. Ok, you're entitled to that pov like anyone else. How this discussion came to include the whole league is when SCD was waxing eloquent about the Broncos D and how the were the best in the business. So I didn't go Seahawks phycho fan at all. I stated what is backed up by stats and analytics.
Denver has played much better teams than Seattle. Seattle played three teams who will be picking in the top 7 or 8 next year. Denver played 3 playoff contenders. Seattle's defense is good, Denver's is better because they pressure the passer at a higher rate. Seattle sort of doesn't have a Von Miller. But I apologize, for future reference I will always insert the following into my analysis just to appease you: Denver is the best non-SeaGod defense there is. Feel better?
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So....

We can agree that Andrew Luck is nowhere near the second coming in Indionapolis? The guy just plays all kinds of average football
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We can agree that Andrew Luck is nowhere near the second coming in Indionapolis? The guy just plays all kinds of average football
Not to totally jump on the Hot Take wagon but I've never understood the hype with Luck. Is it that he thinks the game at a high level? Every time I see him play he seems decent but I don't see what the exceptionalism is. Is it that he's sublime in his boringness? He makes it look easy?

That said he's in the same boat early career Elway was. He's dragging crap teams with him in spite of themselves so it's hard to say he's bad. I just don't see what the big deal is with him yet
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Denver has played much better teams than Seattle. Seattle played three teams who will be picking in the top 7 or 8 next year. Denver played 3 playoff contenders. Seattle's defense is good, Denver's is better because they pressure the passer at a higher rate. Seattle sort of doesn't have a Von Miller. But I apologize, for future reference I will always insert the following into my analysis just to appease you: Denver is the best non-SeaGod defense there is. Feel better?
The condescension really isn't necessary. And cherry picking variables like 'hey, they don't have Von Miller' just isn't a winning argument. The Broncos don't have Earl Thomas, so what? I'll bow out of this discussion with some simple facts. The Seahawks have been the best scoring D for last four years in a row. Something that is unprecedented in the Super Bowl era and they were a better D than Denver was last year. So when you say that the Broncos are an 'all time' D based on a single, admittedly, great year then, sorry, that's a challengeable point of view and worth having a discussion over. Sorry for being a fan.
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